NathanJ

Are there any circumstances whatsoever in which you think it is reasonable to sack an employee because of what they said? If so, what criteria would you apply?

AC

Of course it is possible to criticise Israel’s conduct of the war, or its policies before 2023, without being antisemitic. But it is also the case that some antisemites cloak their antisemitism as legitimate criticism of Israel.

And not all antisemitism is as blatant and disgusting as the behaviour of these nurses. Some can be quite subtle.

Gaslighting occurs when people play down the extent or severity of antisemitism, or portray it as somehow understandable given Israel’s actions, or play whataboutism – Islamophobia is widespread and serious (which it is); therefore Jews have nothing to complain about.

“Tokenising” occurs when a small number of unrepresentative voices (usually ones the speaker agrees with) are taken as representative of Jewish people as a whole, or that their Jewishness confers particular authority on their opinions, while ignoring the breadth of views across the Jewish community and the balance of opinion within it. This is a particular problem on the progressive left, which happily embraces “good” Jews critical of Israel, while demonising or ignoring the rest.

Anti-Zionism can be legitimate, but it shades into antisemitism when the term Zionist is used to generalise about Jewish or Israeli people as a whole, or when Zionism is mindlessly equated to apartheid or even Nazism.

There is an interesting summary of different forms of antisemitism here, by the American Jewish Committee. Sadly, some of it looks all too familiar from OLO forums:

http://www.ajc.org/sites/default/files/pdf/2024-02/AJC_Translate-Hate-Glossary-2.2024.pdf

How on earth do you expect people to contain their anger and frustration when the scenes they're subjected to are BEYOND WORDS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx8X-nnrauo

Armchair Critic,
Didn't you watch that link above ? To stop brainwashing innocent little children with your insane senseless hatred would be a good start to reduce that induced anger !

sack an employee because of what they said? If so, what criteria would you apply?
Rhian,
Inciting hate speech & violence !

Hi Indy,
I watched the video, twice now.
It's just 2 Pro-Israel people having a discussion, and would be the complete opposite if it was 2 Pro Palestinian people having a discussion.

In reference to USAID, I tried to draw attention to them years ago on this forum, when no-one had even heard of them or what they do.
Did I not tell you all 90% of the news is propaganda?

THIS Is How USAID Overthrows Governments Around The Globe!
http://youtu.be/HY64th4uMZw

I also opined years ago that I think all foreign aid is somewhat treasonous, when Australian citizens are dying on hospital waiting lists.

'your insane senseless hatred'
- I agree I'm more critical of Israel and Jews than anyone else on this forum.

Let's assume your above statement was true, which it isn't.
I defended the innocent Israelis on Oct 7 (anyone can go look at my comment history) and I defended the rights of Israeli patients here on this very topic.

I've stated many times I am not religious but more ethical, and believe everybody has a right to live as they choose so long as they don't harm others.

And so, I kind of think that if others want to accuse me of 'insane senseless hatred', then I kind wish to explore that.
If you believe I hate them, then explain why I do.
- I'm certainly no supporter of Islam.
Assuming I hate, do you think it's without cause?

All our lives we've taught wrong from right.
We've seen Israel cross every red line there is when it comes to these values, but somehow crossing all these red lines is no motive for anger and resentment and you assume hatred without cause.

Collective punishment, torture, starvation, withholding water and medicine, blowing up hospitals and places of worship, targeting citizens trying to collect foreign aid, assassinating journalists, deliberately killing women, pregnant women and children, imprisonment without charge, assassinating medical responders, destroying food sources (olive groves) bulldozing homes, using Palestinians for organ harvesting and trafficking, and defending the rape of prisoners... the list just goes on and on.

[Cont.]
You know what the answer to anti-semitism actually is?
- It's not preventing others from criticising things that ought to be criticised.
The answer to anti-semistism is that Jews themselves should stop doing things that the rest of us would have genuine reason to find reprehensible.

You know I have to be honest and say that right now, I kind of feel like the lunatics have taken over the asylum here.

'Israel is the victim'
No. from what I've seen, their antics make Hitler look like a mere amateur.
An angry schoolboy.

The Palestinian rapper.
I oppose the foreign funding, but WHY did they fund it?
And how many of his family were killed by Israelis?

How many of this girls family members have been killed?
- probably none.
http://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1848820311170470346
'Honest Zionists and Liberal Zionists'.

Do you think the Palestinians are the only ones who hate?
Maybe they want justice for ther dead parents and a future for their kids.
I see Israel as a nation of genocidal sociopaths.

Netanyahu, he's been making war on everyone for 30 years.
I told you long ago all my pet peeve is US sanctions and regime changes.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years
http://youtu.be/nUCwCgthp_E

What do you think all these wars in the M/E are about?
Then tell me why Muslims hate the West.

I WAS angered earlier, do you know why?
Early in the conflict I saw this one particular photo.
An 8 year old girl, with a sniper rifle shot to the head.
Brains splattered all over the wall including the big spurt of blood that fountained out of what was left of her skull, the poor innocent child slumped against the wall where she died.
For a moment, I remembered some of the heinous things I've seen. Unlike most of you who remained insulated here, I had more of a front row seat, yet what I've seen is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Senseless loss of life Indy.