More guff to deal with,

"NZ halved their smoking rates when they started promoting vaping" No they didn't promote vaping, they put a huge tax on tobacco products.

"the very LAST thing, you (anti-smoking) want to see is an end to cigarette smoking. That would be the end of a lucrative career, the end of government hand-outs. Oh no! Its those lefty/communists at work again, attacking good old Capitalists free enterprise. Trumpism at its finest.

BTW Mr Mhaze Trumpster, I watched those two old fools debate each other today. Your man Trump should be locked up in jail. Biden, he should be locked up in an asylum for old farts! Putin, Jinping and that crazy man in North Korea must be rubbing their hands with glee, watching that pair of idiots going head to head. A conversation between Putin and Jinping watching it all on telly; "Vlad"..."Yes Xi"...."See what democracy gives you!"..."Hummm, two old farts like that pair"..."Yes Vlad, democracy, its a waste of time!"......."I'll agree with that Xi, a waste of tim, not wanted in Russia."

"No they didn't promote vaping, they put a huge tax on tobacco products."

Paul, you just made that up. You'd best ignore this as well....

"Smoking and vaping policy were very similar in Australia and New Zealand until 2020 when the four major political parties in New Zealand accepted vaping as an important tool to accelerate the decline in smoking rates."

http://www.ash.org.nz/new_zealand_expert_advises_australian_policymakers_on_vaping_as_new_zealand_smoking_rates_fall_40_in_4_years_as_people_switch_to_vaping

Look Paul, I get it. You don't want to think you're being lied to and have no intention of checking the facts. That's OK, we're used to that from you and Foxy.

Even simple questions as to why most of the rest of the world are fine with vapes whereas we are treating them like mini H-bombs seems to be beyond your understanding. You don't even want to consider why that might be.

So be it. You've always been happy being lied to by your gurus and see no reason to change now.

Mr Mhaze Trumpster,

Your selective quote, ""you go on about your family in Borneo".
What the hell are you talking about?" Okay for the dummy, orangutans, they come from Borneo, to much for you to understand. Read in full, its a joke, in reference about you bring up my "NZ connections", but when you're out of it on vaping I shouldn't expect you to see the funny side of anything. BTW Vaping is it an upper or a downer for you?

Except you actually talk about your NZ connections and I've never mentioned Borneo. You might think its a joke, but you'd be wrong.

I can't help but notice that you didn't even try to support your fabricated claims about a tax and have continued to avoid looking at, let alone addressing, the facts and reports I mention.

Standard operating procedure.

Mr Mhaze Trumpster,

Don't you know anything.; "fabricated claims about a (tobacco) tax"

"To discourage smoking uptake among youth and encourage cessation, the NZ Government raised tobacco excise taxes rapidly, and in excess of inflation by 10% each year, between 2010 and 2020, making the real price of cigarettes in New Zealand, among the highest globally."

Duty on tobacco. The 2024 increase is 5.64%. attracting a duty of $1244.23 per kilogram where 1000 manufactured cigarettes has a tobacco content less than 800g per kilogram, rising to $1,773.02 per kilogram where 1,000 manufactured cigarettes has a tobacco content exceeding 800g per kilogram. Smoking tobacco, homogenised and/or reconstituted tobacco product with a tobacco content not exceeding 800g per kg, the duty is $1244.23 per kilogram rising to $1773.02 per kilogram for smoking tobacco, homogenised and/or reconstituted tobacco product with a tobacco content exceeding 800g per kilogram.

Bloody big tax in anybodies language.

"and I've (Mhaze) never mentioned Borneo" If my relatives were swing in the trees in Borneo, and picking nits off each other, I wouldn't mention them too often either. I do understand why you want to keep em' a secret!