Paul,

Ya dill. Yes nicotine is a poison if you take enough of it. Everything is a poison is you take enough of it - water, oxygen, the kool aid you imbibe.

But its not a poison at the levels that matter as regards vapes. You shriek in obvious terror that the CDC "warns that 50 to 60 milligrams of nicotine is a deadly dose for an adult". That's true. But that's if you drink the stuff. Not if you smoke it. Its impossible to get 60 milligrams just from smoking cigarettes and even more impossible from vaping nicotine juice.

If any of the rubbish you wrote was true then 3-pack a day folk would be keeling over left and right. But they don't because you utterly misunderstood (or misrepresented?) the science.

And speaking of misunderstanding, you say that "Vapes will do it for you as well" ie include tars in the mix. They don't - that's why the British studies said they are basically safe. Or did you, like Foxy, decide to ignore those studies because they said something you'd prefer to not be true?

If nicotine is so dangerous, why is it that anyone can walk into any chemist in the country and buy nicotine gum over the counter? You see, they want to scare you about this nicotine boogey-man and expect you to not notice that its freely available. Obviously, in your case, they're right.

Again, countries around the world allow vaping. Are their citizens keeling over left and right? New Zealand went all in on vapes because they save lives by getting people off cigarettes.

Only the authoritarians in the ALP want to dictate to its citizens on the basis that we can't make decisions for ourselves - or at least decisions the fascists in Canberra approve. I can see why you're on board with that type of thinking.

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the story.

Australia's law reform bill regarding vaping has wide
support from the public health sector and is based on
evidence and research showing that preventing easy
access to vapes is essential to protecting the health
of young people.

Sydney University's researchers and so many other
medical and scientific professionals tell us that we
have a "uniquely Australian approach to regulating
vaping."

"The clear message is that vaping products cannot be sold
as a consumer good for recreational purposes. Instead they
are a tightly regulated therapeutic product available
only under strict conditions."

We're told that "the law does not criminalize individual
vape users but instead includes heavy penalties for
sellers of illegal vapes."

We're told that "any retailer found to be illegally
selling vapes from July 1st will be heavily fined and could
face jail time."

http://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2024/06/25/no-more-recreational-vaping-for-australians-what-next.html#:

"We're told that " this.
"We're told that " that.

What we're really told is that the government thinks Australians are too stupid to make decision the authoritarians consider valid. We have to be treated like children and sent to bed with no sweets because we don't know what's good for us.

Its the same level of thinking that told us we were too stupid to be allowed to see video of the Lakemba stabbing - how did that work out?

Meanwhile, governments all around the world are allowing their citizens to make their own decisions. Some like NZ and the UK are even encouraging citizens to take up vaping in preference to cigarettes.

I prefer governments that treat their citizens like adults but I can see that some (no names mind you but Paul and Foxy are exemplars) some prefer to be led by the nose and told what to do because that's so much easier than thinking for yourself.

Hi Paul,

Good news from the Cancer Council:

"The Cancer Council has welcomed the vaping legislation
passed by the Senate. This will put an end date on the sale
of disposable non-therapeutic vapes in retail stores -
protecting the health of all Australians."

There's more at the following:

http://miragenews.com/cancer-council-hails-new-vaping-law-to-cut-1264396/

mhaze,

I know when I am getting to a Trumpster, out comes the crude and rude abuse...like Yabba on the hill, Ya Dill!

After claiming; "Nicotine isn't dangerous", the new low from Mr Mhaze Trumpster is this gem; "If any of the rubbish you wrote was true then 3-pack a day folk would be keeling over left and right. But they don't"

WELL THEY DO, visit your nearest crematory and you'll find hundreds of 3 pack a day fellas DEAD, DEAD 20 years prematurely due to that 3 pack a day addiction.

Question, As a young lad did you aspire to be the next "Marlboro Man" me thinks so. AND of course you believed BIG TOBACCO when it told you smoking was positively good for you. AND they had the "science" to prove it, after all they paid big bucks to get that "science".

"Five men who appeared in Marlboro-related advertisements — Wayne McLaren, David McLean, Dick Hammer, Eric Lawson and Jerome Edward Jackson, aka Tobin Jackson — died of smoking-related diseases, thus earning Marlboro cigarettes, specifically Marlboro Reds, the nickname "cowboy killers".

Mate, why didn't you take the advice of Dangerous Doctor Donald, and drink 'Pine-O-Clean during Covid?

BTW Not all poisons kill you, arsenic is a trace element in beer and wine, like arsenic, nicotine in small doses wont kill you, but it will contribute to general ill health.

"Vapes and e-liquids can contain a range of chemicals such as acetone found in nail polish remover, acrolein found in weed killer and 2-cholorophenol found in cleaning products and bug spray. Vapes come in a number of flavours such as blueberry or bubble gum that make them appealing." WOW mhaze it looks like your vapes have a million and one uses around the home! Killing flies, cleaning toilets. I hope you vape the blueberry flavour, at least when it kills you, your corps will smell sweet.

"WELL THEY DO, visit your nearest crematory and you'll find hundreds of 3 pack a day fellas DEAD, DEAD 20 years prematurely due to that 3 pack a day addiction."

But they didn't die of nicotine poisoning which was your original assertion.
Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.

If what you say about the dangers of vaping are true, why did the most comprehensive study ever done on them find they were 95% safer than smoking?

If what you say about the dangers of vaping are true, why does most of the rest of the planet allow it without the massive increases in deaths you're so afraid of? You're always going on about your NZ connections. Ask them if vapers are dying in the streets since they've allowed, even encouraged the use of vapes.

If what you say about the dangers of nicotine are true, why are we, including teenagers, allowed to buy nicotine gum off the shelf?