Hi Paul,

Nicotine gum is effective in helping people to quit
smoking cigarettes. Many people try to quit without
formal assistance. Tests have shown that the number
of people who quit increases with help. Over the
counter availability of nicotine gum has been shown
to confer significant public health benefits.

Yes Foxy, but, as usual, the logic eludes you.

Paul was saying nicotine is a poison. If its a poison it wouldn't be freely available to all and sundry. That it helps people give up smoking is true. That vapes help people give up smoking is also true. They do the same thing - give smokers a safe way to get nicotine without all the tars etc that cigarettes have.

But one, the gum, is promoted as a benefit. The other is banned and the chicken-littles of this world run is terror at the mere thought of it.

Countries like the UK and NZ have recognised that vaping is a health benefit and have allowed, even promoted, it. The ALP, controlled by the anti-everything lobby are doing the bidding of those who have no interest in helping people get off cigarettes. Yet they think of themselves as oh so moral.

Hi Paul,

We know that tobacco use is legal in Australia.
But, its supply and consumption is subject to
strict regulations.

Advertising of tobacco is prohibited. Plain packaging has
been introduced and smoking is banned inside restaurants,
bars and clubs, in cars with children and around many
public places such as near children's play equipment,
swimming pools, public transport and around public buildings.

Steps are being taken to try to help people kick the
habit. And as with alcohol and other drugs - there's
only so much that can be done. Still pointing out the
health benefits seems to be working in the case of tobacco.
Much has been achieved in a short space of time.

"Steps are being taken to try to help people kick the habit. "

But the most effective one is being demonised. NZ halved their smoking rates when they started promoting vaping. (I did mention earlier that the usual fools would hasten to ignore that and thus it has come to pass).

If you're an anti-smoking activist who has built a career on propagandising against cigarettes or an organisation dependent on funding from government to propagandise against smoking and big tobacco, the last thing, the very LAST thing, you want to see is an end to cigarette smoking. That would be the end of a lucrative career, the end of government hand-outs.

So of course you oppose the most effective anti-smoking measure found in the last decade. We've got to keep our phoney-baloney jobs.
http://youtu.be/uTmfwklFM-M

Did I get a harrumph from Foxy?

Hi Mr Mhaze Trumpster, I feel we are old chums now on this topic!

Sorry I haven't got back to you earlier, you give me so much to take in, it feels like I've swallowed literally a ton of cow dung from you, and that takes time to digest.

Firstly, "You're always going on about your NZ connections" no more so than you go on about your family in Borneo, btw how is Uncle Orangutan and family doing these days? That clears that up.

Now, "(Vapes are) 95% safer than smoking" The old argument, if something is really bad for you, so if something else is safer, therefore it must be good for you, not necessarily. BTW how does one measure safetyness as a percentage, got me on that one. btw, its safer, 95% in fact, to be run over by a single deck bus, than by a double decker....but I wouldn't recommend either.

"If what you say about the dangers of nicotine are true, why are we, including teenagers, allowed to buy nicotine gum off the shelf?" Why were people allowed to build houses out of asbestos including teenagers! That right, I forgot, vaping is 95% safer than chomping on lumps of asbestos.

All you are doing is trying to make your nasty product look good, and justify its use in society.

"BTW how does one measure safetyness as a percentage, got me on that one."

Well, if you really wanted to know you'd read the eight or so studies done by King's College and others on behalf of the various health departments in Britain what came to that percentage conclusion. Or you would if you were the slightest bit interested in the facts rather than the ALP propaganda... therefore you won't.

"you go on about your family in Borneo".
What the hell are you talking about?