We can see from the comments on this discussion that
the horrific events that have unfolded in Israel
and Gaza have affected many of us.

There are those who've spoken out strongly in support
of Israel. There are those who are passionate advocates
for Palestine.

There are those who are trying to support both sides
or are unsure which side to support.

The situation is dire. No matter which side you take.

A two-state solution would be the answer. This has been
around for a long time. You'd think that standing
for the right of Israelis to live in safety and security
in a Jewish State would not be a big ask. And that neither
is the right of Palestinians to self-determination in a
State of their own.

Why is this so hard to achieve?

Why can't any obstacles be overcome?

On the Israeli side - it's the extremist settlers and
their supporters, who believe that Palestinians have no
right to govern any part of Israel. On the Palestinian side
it is Hamas and their supporters who are unable to tolerate
Jewish sovereignty anywhere between the Jordan River and
the Mediterranean Sea.

This makes the obstacles difficult to overcome. They're not
impossible but they must be done within the context of a
peace agreement.

Those of us who want this conflict to end - and I would assume
that this would be all of us, must surely see that putting
pressure on both sides by the major Western powers and
by member states of the United Nations would help towards
achieving peace. Also recognizing Palestine as a State would
help. A two-state solution is surely the answer.

Dear Foxy,

«Israel and its supporters follow the Hitler line»

Excuse me, I support Israel (though not its present government and only partly what it is presently doing) - are you saying that I follow the Hitler line?

Hi Foxy and Yuyutsu,

I understand how the innocent citizens under an authoritarian regime will be blamed for the horrific crimes of the regime. In Nazi Germany about 10% of the adult population joined the Nazi party, and the majority of them, not because of their political ideology, but often as a self protection measure in their employment, or their community, protection from actual fanatics. The Gestapo was never a huge organisation, but relied on informants to root out the disloyal. A neighbourhood dispute, say, over a dog, could result in a person being reported to the Gestapo as disloyal to the regime, and being arrested. Same in Stalinist Russia, the NKVD relied heavily on informants.

Yuyutsu,

If you support Israel and not it's current
government then I take it that you also support
a two-state solution.

And,

If we support Israel and a free Palestine we must
not only oppose the current Israeli government but we
must also oppose Hamas. It's the only way for this to end.
It's the only path towards ending this cycle of death.

"especially if their own government sees starvation of its people as a propaganda coup."
- I didn't realise the Palestinians were preventing aid deliveries.

"Because the aim is to denigrate the Jewish state."

denigrate! denigrate! denigrate!
- Oh sorry, 'Antisemitic? whoops, my mistake.
[Rolls eyes]
I told you I'm just not going to give support to state engaged in ethnic cleansing, land theft, imprisonment without charge, murder, executions, killing of kids, destroying homes etc, etc. etc.

Killing innocent people is wrong.
Just because the Palestinians killed some innocent Israelis doesn't make it right for the Israelis to go and kill tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

Israel is a terrorist state.

"And they use the word genocide"

Who the hell is 'they'?
I think for myself, and I make my own opinions and judgements

"something that clearly isn't a genocide"
ICJ voted 11-2, and the world sides with Palestine.

"AC sought to justify the Uighur genocide. Not minimise it. Not deny. Justify it as a good thing."
- That's not true.
I never acknowledged there was any genocide.
Do you have any evidence, or is it all just made up, as the west does.
And stupid people like you fall for it.

Lemme dig something up.
This is going to take about 10 minutes of your time.
EVERYONE OF YOU HERE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THIS
- Because of kind of haddit right now, for all this sillyness.

It's really about time I drove this point home.
It's really about time you people learned.
Watch these - a 2 min video and a 6 minute video.
Pay particular attention to the way they 'sell you the story'

Violent clashes in Georgia as 'Russia Law' passes parliament | ABC News
http://youtu.be/hMs6WQ5-78U

Georgian parliament approves 'foreign agent' bill, sparking more protests | The World
http://youtu.be/d-Hl9XXqCxM

You'll notice around the 3 and a half minute mark the woman spoke about 'US' and 'EU' interests.
- That's a hint at whats really going in.

Now listen for just 1 minute what a former member of the CIA says
http://youtu.be/SkIzqa5-J4I?t=590

Now, what you all need to understand is that the good things we take pride in democracy in, like the right to protest;

These are the exact tools the West uses to overthrow other countries.
Free Press? They'll use that to show a leader they want removed in a bad light.

And what your democracy is - is just a tool of western imperialism.
And 'terrorists', well a lot of them are just the people who didn't want to go along with the United States overthrows of their countries.

"AC sought to justify the Uighur genocide. Not minimise it. Not deny. Justify it as a good thing."
[Rolls eyes]
Your 'Uighurs' - was actually western sponsored Islamic terrorist uprising, and the Chinese had to take measures to stop the violence and restore order.

That's not saying I love the Chinese.
That's just saying I don't support the West deliberately causing foreign civil-unrest and overthrows.
I don't really support involvement in other nations internal affairs.

You'll see the news right in front of you
But they aren't telling you the full story.

The reason they run around screaming democracy! democracy in a slightly strange manner;
- Is because democracy is the tool for US imperialism and overthrows.
It's not about what the people want.

We think it's the best system for us to rule ourselves.
But really it's the best system for a nation to be taken over and ruled over by foreigners.
- Without a single shot being fired.

And, relying on the US for defense means being subservient to US foreign policy.