Hi Paul,
"The trouble was the Viet Cong were the villages."

One of the ways they mislead is to label them 'terrorists'.
Random made some good simple points when he was here that it's easier to kill them without a trial.

A criminal would require a fair trail.
Use of the word 'terrorist' essentially invokes a murder spree.
- And Israel becomes the terrorist itself, if it wasn't always a terrorist state from day one already.

'Terrorist' gives one a sense similar to what one might think in this statement:
'a group of terrorists are hiding out in the building with hostages'
With that statement we would see these 'Hamas' people as enemies - and the hostages could be us;

It's a different kind of situation in Palestine, sure Israel and the West labels Hamas as terrorists, (but many nations do not) but inside Gaza Hamas are not terrorists of the people, they are largely supported by the people.

Really, they are 'terrorists' for standing up to America and Israel for their own interests just as much as they are terrorists for committing atrocities against Israel and Israelis.

But FYI, on the 'atrocity' front, it's obvious to everyone that Israel has a far bigger rap-sheet.

"But FYI, on the 'atrocity' front, it's obvious to everyone that Israel has a far bigger rap-sheet."

- To argue against that statement is to argue:

The NAZIs who managed security at the concentration camps suffered far worse conditions than the Jews in the camps themselves.
- Which would be a 'completely ludicrous' statement.

Israel just wants to blame and punish the Palestinians for refusing to bend the knee.
And the whole entire thing is just ethnic cleansing for an apartheid state engaged in land theft.

"I see hungry people..."

Wow Paul almost, but not quite, got it. Yes there are people in Gaza who haven't got more than a day or two stock of food and who don't quite know where there new supplies will come from. You might have noticed there is a war going on and in war, supply chains collapse, especially if their own government sees starvation of its people as a propaganda coup.

But hunger isn't a famine. "According to the United Nations World Food Programme, famine is declared when malnutrition is widespread, and when people have started dying of starvation through lack of access to sufficient, nutritious food."

But no one can find instances of widespread malnutrition or death by starvation.

"The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification criteria define Phase 5 famine of acute food insecurity as occurring when:

* At least 20% of households in an area face extreme food shortages with a limited ability to cope; and
* The prevalence of acute malnutrition in children exceeds 30%; and
* The death rate exceeds two people per 10,000 people per day."

Does any of that apply in Gaza? The only honest answer (and I appreciate we aren't likely to get honest answers from the likes of Foxy and AC) is no.

But they want to call it famine because of the emotive appeal it carries.

It helps in the efforts to save Hamas from destruction. It helps in the efforts to hide the complicity of the UN in perpetuating the terrorist state Hamas has created. It helps in the fund raising efforts of the so-called NGOs.

But famine it ain't.

So they use the word 'famine' to describe something that clearly isn't a famine. Because the aim is to denigrate the Jewish state.

And they use the word genocide to describe something that clearly isn't a genocide. Even worse they want to call what's going on in Gaza a genocide when they actively sought to avoid that term when it was appropriately used to describe actions of groups they favour.

AC sought to justify the Uighur genocide. Not minimise it. Not deny. Justify it as a good thing.
And Foxy likewise refused to describe the Uighur destruction as a genocide and favourably compared it to what was happening in Gaza BEFORE 7 October.

And we have people talking about this war as though its somehow different to every other war that's ever happened. Paul frets that there's hunger, as though the break-down in supply chains isn't part and parcel of wars.

Foxy claims that the destruction in Gaza is unprecedented which, in a thread full of historic ignorance, wins the prize of the most abysmally ignorant comment of all. Why call it unprecedented? Because of the need to make the actions of the Jewish state seem especially egregious.

They don't want to be labelled antisemitic. But when you inappropriately apply labels to the Jewish state that you refuse to apply to other nations who commit far worse acts, its antisemitic.

Sorry, but if the racist shoe fits...

Israel and its supporters follow the Hitler line -
no matter how big the lie, repeat it often enough and
the masses will after a while regard it as truth.

However, today, the evidence against these lies is
as the BBC's International Editor - Jeremy Bowen
testifies, and so many other
journalists, authors, human rights organizations, and people
who actually have seen for themselves and experienced
what's really going on - affirm - the lies are no longer
being swallowed verbatim except by the die-hard supporters.
Of which we also have examples in the Trump supporters - where
insanity rules.

If you have a strong emotional, rational, spiritual
balance, - then you cannot possibly support what is going on
in the Middle-East or try to justify it.

"Propaganda is to a democratic society what the bludgeon is
to a totalitarian state."
( Noam Chomsky).

When will enough be enough?

http://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-photos-964bcd9e90a42940e6044245cc2786f9