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ICC Seeks Arrest Warrants For Israel , Hamas Leaders.

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Dear Paul,

«Did anyone notice the 4 Israeli hostages rescued were in surprisingly good condition, after 8 months captivity, someones been looking after them»

They were much better than expected because they were, unlike most hostages, held above ground by a Gazan family and not down in the tunnels like most where they don't even get enough oxygen.

Nevertheless, according to the doctor who checked them they were beaten daily, they were malnourished and lost lots of muscle. They did not receive proteins and vitamins and unlike the woman, the three men were never allowed out in the sun for getting vital vitamin D.

«not so the over 200 dead Palestinians murdered to achieve that, mostly women and children.»

Perhaps half of them were Hamas operatives.
Only a few were killed during the release operation itself - most were shot later, when the engine of the rescuers' escape-truck was hit by Hamas bullets so they got stuck and could not continue to withdraw safely. At that time, Israel had to apply a massive firewall to prevent Hamas from getting to them, which they tried, so everyone in between was also shot.

Wouldn't you do the same for your own family, if you could, should they be stuck like that in a hostile territory?

«Hamas have welcomed the UNSC Ceasefire Agreement»

No, they said they do, but added so many significant caveats that the agreement they welcomed is not the original one.

«the Israelis are less enthusiastic»

Most Israelis are - Netanyahu is not.

«after all the true agenda of the Zionist far right, is the total annihilation of all Palestinians and the creation of a Pan-Jewish state in the region»

Yes, disgusting indeed, but they are only about 12% of Israeli citizens... and well, they are not truly Zionists, they want to replace Israel with their own version of a "Jewish state", such that the original Zionists would have preferred to remain in exile.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 5:29:38 PM
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Dear Paul,

It was further revealed today that the hostages were, as punishment, wrapped in blankets in extremely hot days.
The doctor explained that their initial good looks was due to the rush of adrenalin upon their release.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 9:30:13 PM
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" For 16 years, Israel's illegal blockade has made
Gaza the world's biggest open-air-prison. The
international community must act now to prevent it
becoming a giant graveyard."

( Agnes Callamard, Amnesty International's
Secretary-General).

http://amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 9:52:07 PM
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«For 16 years, Israel's illegal blockade has made
Gaza the world's biggest open-air-prison.»

Can prisoners come in and out of their prison to travel and study overseas, also have overseas visitors come and stay with them?

- Gazans did, at least their leaders.

Can prisoners bring into their prisons an enormous amount of weapons and ammunition, including long-distance rockets and their launchers, then even manufacture their own rockets in prison? Can they even regularly shoot these rockets outside their prison?

- Gazans did, at least their leaders.

Can prisoners dig kilometres of tunnels deep under their prison, including attack tunnels meant for sneaking up through them to kill civilians outside? Also build gliders to fly and attack outside their prison? Also train and equip divers to swim, land and attack on outside shores?

- Gazans did, at least their leaders.

Do you still call them "prisoners", those poor fellows whose freedom to kill, rape, kidnap and torture Israelis was a little disturbed?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 10:15:46 PM
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Yuyutsu,

Israeli Prime Minster's approach to Palestinians:

"Beat them up, not once
but repeatedly, beat them up so
it hurts so badly, until it's unbearable."

Israeli Deputy Defence Minister Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan:

"Palestinians" are beasts.
They are not human."

Former Israeli Deputy PM - Eli Yishai urges the army to:

"Send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

David Ben Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister said:

"If I was an Arab leader, I would not sign an agreement
with Israel. It is normal. We have taken their country.
It is true God promised it to us but how could that interest
them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism,
the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?
They see but one thing, we have come and we have stolen
their country. Why would they accept that?"

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves,
politically we are the agressors and they defend themselves."

Israel's policies toward the Palestinian people range from
1948. Palestinians have had centuries of military
occupation and discrimination by the regime governing
Palestinians and the current assaults on Gaza as well as
Israeli statements expressed against the Palestinians on
the elimination of Palestinians have made prominent
scholars of International Law of Genocide and Human Rights
take a stand against Israel.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 June 2024 9:43:39 AM
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Yuyutsu,

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe writes:

"We all deserve a better ending to the story of the
Holocaust. This could involve a strong
multi-cultural Germany showing the way to the rest
of Europe, an American society dealing bravely
with the racial crimes that still
resonate today, an Arab world that expunges its
barbarism and inhumanity."

However Prof. Pappe says that "Nothing like that could
happen if we continue to fall into the trap of treating
mythologies as truths. Palestine was not empty and
the Jewish people had homelands. Palestine was not
"redeemed" and its people were dispossessed in 1948,
rather than leaving voluntarily."

"Colonized people, even under the UN Charter, have the
right to struggle for their liberation, even with an army,
and the successful ending to such a struggle lies in the
creation of a democratic state that includes all of its
inhabitants."

We can only live and hope that this will one day happen
sooner rather than later.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 June 2024 10:47:22 AM
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