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Chapter 24 Verse 55 from the Quran has promised Muslims they will take over Australia one day?!

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The Quran , Chapter 24 Verse 55, has promised Muslims that they will take over the Earth one day in the future. It is not about few particular countries or specific region. It is about whole the Earth, so it's including Australia as well.

Some of the Australian Muslims argue that base on this Verse of the Quran they will certainly capture Australia.

Do you really think they might take our country one day?
Posted by P_Dox, Saturday, 15 September 2007 8:48:17 PM
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Only if we let them.
Posted by AK47, Sunday, 16 September 2007 2:06:36 PM
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AK47

part of 'letting' is denying the undeniable, and failing to sound a warning BEFORE the situation becomes unmanagable.

You can bend a small sappling...but not a tree.

If we wait until it becomes a 'tree'....then genuine and gracious people like F.H. will be caught up in the knee jerk racist, Cronulla-like reaction..

When a government does nothing but follow the wagging of its tail, by small but growing minority groups, the result is Lambing Flats rebellion..

If they had listened to the voice of the people BEFORE Aussies felt overwhelmed and swamped......nothing would have occurred.

I've never advocated anything other than a lawful response, in particular a POLITICAL/GOVERNMENT POLICY response, to a worrying trend... I'm sure there are those who would take different measures which would concern us all.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 16 September 2007 4:19:39 PM
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"Do you really think they might take our country one day?"

Well anything's possible and I certainly trust we will remain vigilant.

That vigilance is also required to prevent Christian fundamentalism taking over our way of life.

What we value: reason, free inquiry, critical thinking, ethics, freedom, compassion and a high regard for our fellow human beings.

All the above can be achieved without being dictated to by people's supernatural beliefs.

Remember, we are a secular nation and despite our flaws, we have one of the most stable democracies in the world.

Why not keep it that way!
Posted by dickie, Sunday, 16 September 2007 5:00:44 PM
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Perhaps here is an indication of what may be in store for us if Sharia ever becomes the law of the land.

BISHOP WARNS THAT MUSLIMS WHO CONVERT RISK BEING KILLED

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2170160,00.html

Some quotes:

>>One of the Church of England's most senior bishops is warning that people will die unless Muslim leaders in Britain speak out in defence of the right to change faith.>>

>>'It is very common in the world today, including in this country, for people who have changed their faith, particularly from being Muslim to being Christian, to be ostracised, to lose their job, for their marriages to be dissolved, for children to be taken away,' Ali said. 'And this is why some leadership is necessary from Muslim leaders themselves to say that this is not what Islam teaches.'>>

>>In 2004, Prince Charles asked British Muslim leaders to renounce laws of apostasy and the death sentence for converts in Islamic countries, but no public statement was ever made.>>

>>Dispatches obtained Islamic texts sold in Britain that say the punishment for apostasy is death - according to all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence. One text called for Muslims to cut off the head of those who reject Islam.>>

AND THEN THIS CHILLING PARAGRAPH.

>>A poll of more than 1,000 British Muslims, conducted by the Policy Exchange think-tank this year, found that 36 per cent of Muslims aged between 16 and 24 believe those who convert to another faith should be punished by death.>>
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 16 September 2007 6:57:42 PM
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Steven has highlighted the truth in this matter.. regarding apostacy.. and it IS chilling.. and anyone who 'poo poo's the 'Islamophobics' (like me) who constantly raise awareness about the dangers of unchecked unbalanced 'information' about Islam, and uninformed, ignorant Australians... need only refer to the survey showing 36% regard apostacy as punishable by death.

So..it is clearly justified to target such Muslims.. by all means available. The other 64% are quite ok..obviously, unless they become radicalized by the 36% who will undoubtedly harras them and berate them with "You are not true Muslims". So, perhaps we can extend the 36% to some higher figure in reality.

TOPIC. specifically related to the Quranic verse cited in the title, I have to disagree with the understanding that 'that' verse suggests that Muslims will 'take over' one day. This particular verse, when taken with the one preceeding is goes as follows:

V 54 "The prophet is to proclaim Islam"
V 55 "Allah promises they will have an inheritance, power in the land"

The context here, is clear that there is nothing other than the work of Allah in the hearts of men going on....

Having said that....we just NEVER cease to realize that the Quran is a many faceted book, which widely varying takes on the idea of Muslim supremacy.
The only verse out of ALL the 'fight them' verses which specifically and unambiguously calls Muslims to fight unbelievers outside the Muslim community to establish the rule of Allah is 9:29 This does not call for forced conversions, but it has overtones of it when it refers to non Muslims being taxed and 'humiliated' as 2nd class citizens.

CONCLUSION. The promise is there..YES and the command is there..YES...so, taken together..the call to fight and the promise of victory.. could be taken to mean what the topic suggests, but not on the basis of that verse alone (24:55)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 17 September 2007 8:11:44 AM
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