DICKIE....

regarding the 'take over' by Christian fundamentalism.. you are quite right. And I'm a fundy :) but not a political fundy in the sense that I want a 'Christian' government... I just want a 'strongly Judao Christian flavored' one.. so our values (which include freedom) are cherished and protected.

History has taught us, that "Political Christianity" in the sense of a "Christian" Political party such as Fred Niles CDP or it's various incarnations, will in the end have a very unhappy outcome for the community as a whole.. things would be fine for a while.. but as opposition increased from humanists, atheists, Leftoids and others.. the government would increasingly seek to portray them as scoundrels, 'blasphemers' and the such like, and quite possibily try to legislate them out of existence, which of course puts them underground and encourages revolution in the end.

I hope and pray that Australians of all philosophical flavors can join together in the cause of freedom, and seek to recognize values we can hold in common and proudly defend.

The major drawbacks to this seem to be the areas which divide the community at present.
-Abortion
-Censorship
-Refugees
-Migration
and the list goes on.

In the final analysis, the nature of our country and its political flavor is going to be 'dynamic'..and constantly changing. It is up to each of us to try to persuade others to our value system and then proceed to establish this as the foundation for our nation.

Let's hope that those so persuaded, will be of kind, forgiving and generous disposition toward those who's ideas lost out in the struggle.

Oh no, not another one.

>>Chapter 24 Verse 55 from the Quran has promised Muslims they will take over Australia one day?!<<

Since a translation of this verse wasn't provided, I went looking. Here's what I found:

"God promises those among you who believe and do good works, that He will make them successors on Earth..."

Here's another:

"GOD promises those among you who believe and lead a righteous life, that He will make them sovereigns on earth"

And one more:

"God has promised those of you who believe and do good, righteous deeds that He will most certainly empower them as vicegerents on the earth"

Leaving aside the obvious grammatical faux pas - "you" becoming "them" in the same sentence - one thing is crystal clear: while the common denominator is belief, the qualifying factor is "doing good works", "[doing] good, righteous deeds" or "leading a righteous life". This indicates to me that - by definition - the inheritance can only be achieved by peaceful means.

Any other path to world domination is clearly out of order.

Sounds remarkably similar to Matt 5:5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth".

Similarly peaceful.

Meekness in this context doesn't mean spineless submission either - after all, Jesus declared himself to be meek - "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls" Matt 11:29

So it would appear that both religions - hardly remarkably, I might add - advocate that with an appropriate level of meekness and righteousness, each will "inherit the earth".

If I was inventing a religion, I'd say precisely the same thing. Gotta give the punters something to reassure them that they are on the right track, haven't you?

Well it's not going to happen to me. I sleep with tinfoil wrapped around my head so 'THEY' can't implant a q'uran microchip in my noggin while I sleep.

I have tin cans on string around my boundary fence so I can hear 'them' coming. IF 'they' get in; I have a stout piece of 2 by 4 and I will give them a right seeing to.

24:55 Allah has promised...,that he will, of a surety, grant them [Muslims] in the land, inheritance (of power) as he granted it to those before them;... (translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali)

The opposite of Muslims are non-Muslims; it means Muslims have declared jihad (war) against every religion, every political system, democratic, socialists, communists, etc.

The thing to do now, right this moment is to close down every mosque, madrasahs and Islamic school in Australia. Then to bring the message to leave Islam to the 200 Muslims in Indonesia. Islam is not only against Christians they are against non-Muslims.

Boaz and Pericles may turn their left butt when kicked on the right butt by Muslims, this strategy does not work. One has to be tough with them.

Muslims have shown aggression and intolerance towards other religions and systems of governments, its time non-Muslims give them and double what they do to non-Muslims

I have just finished reading a book called Infidel written by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.if you want to know the real truth of this Cult (I don't believe it is religion in my eyes) read it!
They are sick minded ,cruel,egotistical murderers basically who treat their silly women with no respect ,because ,they the women,are bred into thinking they are so inferior to the male Muslim and know no better.They cannot think like a westerner and hate us for our way of life but,have the gall to want to set up their camps in our countries....why.
Our Government needs to wake up and kick them all out ,back to their own country,and do not allow any muslim to enter western countries.
They are no asset to us.

Philip Tang, your translation is, I agree, a very well accepted version. You quote:

"24:55 Allah has promised...,that he will, of a surety, grant them [Muslims] in the land, inheritance (of power) as he granted it to those before them;..."

Unfortunately, by the casual insertion of an ellipsis, you failed to provide it in its entirety.

"Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will... etc. etc."

The additional requirement kinda changes the sense, doesn't it?

Did you omit the part about the "working righteous deeds" on purpose, or is your copy unfortunately smudged at this exact point - possibly by a carelessly spilt cup of tea?

Does not this omission speak volumes about the sincerity of your offerings on this forum? You conclude, from this deceitful truncation, that...

>>...it means Muslims have declared jihad (war) against every religion, every political system, democratic, socialists, communists, etc<<

...when to any fair-minded individual not infected by blind hatred of someone else's religion, it says precisely the opposite.

In fact, if Muslims were to act aggressively to promote their religion, as you appear to suggest, they can kiss their chances of paradise goodbye in a heartbeat. So the verse quoted means precisely the opposite to that which you are keen to propagandize.

>>The thing to do now, right this moment is to close down every mosque, madrasahs and Islamic school in Australia<<

On what grounds? That you are full of fear and loathing? Not sufficient.

>>Muslims have shown aggression and intolerance towards other religions<<

Forgive me for stating the obvious, but that is be exactly what you are doing now. If that is to be grounds for expulsion from this country, then I'd be only too pleased to support it. Just so long as it applies to individuals, equally.