I fully agree with the idea for National Service and for both men and women.

During the last world war we witnessed young men with six weeks basic training sent to New Guinea to fight a formidable, well trained Japanese army.

This must never be repeated.

"if he is [Trump elected], then there would be no Taiwan anyway and no war either, just silent defeat,"

Why? Why would Trump being president mean no Taiwan? What is the basis for this inane assertion.

Indyvidual,

I wasn't suggesting it was a form of dole. But it would have that characteristic of people 'employed' by the government to do things the government decided was valid. In the past these schemes have been seen to be both inefficient and ineffective.

You say this national service would involve "paid education & exposure to real life responsibilities". But what exactly would they be doing. Paid education? What, paid to go to university? What real life responsibilities

This noble life skills building ambitious project will culminate in young folk gathering at Indy's house, where they will learn the greater skills of lawn mowing, house painting, washing the car, not to mention the benefits of weeding the garden! A win for all, and a cleaner house for Indy!

Now Indy, I have previously outlined the great benefits of a "Seniors Nation Service" for you. It will be nation building as you develop new and exciting abilities, which you will be forever grateful!....BTW, what are you like at cracking rocks?

The bottom line here is that, in keeping with the trend towards Marxism in this country, some people are expecting government to take over what families and individuals should be doing.

mhaze,
Are you for real ? How old or rather how young are you ?
Paul1405 is trying hard to out-do Yuyutsu.
You three are a prime example why a NS is so desperately needed !

Dear Mhaze,

«Why? Why would Trump being president mean no Taiwan?»

Isn't it common knowledge that Trump cares only for America
[then only for one particular American named 'Donald']?

Having no backbone or principles, caring not even for Ukraine, why would he risk American troops and why would he risk a nuclear war with China over some island with slant-eyed natives when he can avoid it instead using the excuse that "the buggers didn't pay enough"?

Isn't it common knowledge that Taiwan stands no chance of successfully defending itself unless it receives massive military help from America (and even then it's going to be very tough and the outcome uncertain)?

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Dear Indyvidual,

«Your reply totally highlights the immensely desperate need for a National Service»

In what way?

Note that I have been personally a victim of conscription hence am no foreigner to NS. Nobody deserves to suffer as I did.

«You're totally missing the point»

Likely so, which means that you failed to communicate it properly.

The topic here is conscription.
Unless you state precisely in which ways your NS proposal would be different, the default assumption is that it would be the same as conscription in all other aspects.

So OK, NS would not be military. That was clearly communicated and understood.

Other than that, how are we to learn that with your proposal, unlike conscription as we know it, students would not be snatched away from universities, carers from the ones they care for, monks from their monasteries, business owners from their businesses, etc?
How are we to learn that young people who are already disciplined in other ways won't be forced into that particular NS discipline? that people who already have skills won't be forced to learn different new skills in your proposed NS? Does all that "goes without saying"?

And if your proposal is indeed so fundamentally different than and hardly resembles military conscription, then why did you name it similarly to how government used to call military conscription; also why then did you choose to present it on this particular thread?