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Some people don't "lift a finger to help themselves" because that’s the way socialism wants it. You will be looked after but you will do what we say. And, that costs a lot of money that could have gone into defence - one of the few things that governments should be doing that they are still neglecting.

When I say 'socialism' I mean both parties in the duopoly; the only non-socialist politicians in Australia are those nobody wants to vote for because they, the politicians, believe in small government and personal responsibility.

"Government is best which governs least" (Thoreau).

The last time this country had conscription was to fight a war in Vietnam that was none of Australia's business. The war was lost. There was a lot of angst and division in the population, we got thousands of illegal immigrants from it, and America has not won a war since then. The West, particularly the Anglosphere, has lost all confidence in itself.

We and our ally America are in big trouble, thanks to our useless politicians. But, discriminatory, tyrannical forcing of kids into pointless “national service” would not make a jot of difference to our situation, and would make the victims of the discrimination even more resentful and angrier than they already are.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 9:33:50 AM
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Many of today's young people are floundering. They don't
know what to do with their lives. They need a structured
opportunity that will allow them to feel needed and
capable.

A mandatory national service, whether in the military or
other works of service, such as working on civilian
projects such as teaching in low income areas, helping care
for the elderly or maintaining infrastructure are among
ideas that could be tried.

Disciple would be brought into the growing fibre of
people. No one would remain blind as some currently are to how
others live.

People would become better parents, teachers, and carers.
This would allow them to learn a healthier way of living.
They would gain real-world skille, be part of a team while
learning to socialize with people from diverse backgrounds,
breeding greater social understanding and empathy.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 10:01:38 AM
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Those who say getting rid of conscription was a good move, could they please state what they think of the lack of discipline, compassion, common sense & general bottom of the pit mentality ?
The Goaf never thought of the consequences when he sold out the only path with a bit of integrity in return for votes but hey, that's ignorant academic, lack of foresight thinking. The blue collar work force is reaching the end of the tether of forking out for the parasitic elite.
Let's make National Service (not military conscription) an election issue !
Those objecting should think of the enemies to this nation that have already been imported with their help !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 10:22:33 AM
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I think it was Jean Dixon who prophesied that "The Eagle & the Bear will unite to fight the Dragon".
No sense needed if you don't mind living under the yoke.
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 10:30:50 AM
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"Australia's primary roll will be to close the Malacca Straits to all Chinese shipping, hence our purchase of medium range missiles and enhanced subs."
- China gets a lot of it's oil from the M/E.
I wonder if this 'blockade' war plan is the reason why they are trying to undermine the belt and road project, as it would provide another route for oil and thus undermines their war plans?

Obviously then, China needs to build an oil pipeline from Russia.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 11:03:07 AM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«Those who say getting rid of conscription was a good move, could they please state what they think of the lack of discipline, compassion, common sense & general bottom of the pit mentality ?»

We all got to start somewhere, don't we?

Having spent lifetimes as animals, driven by instincts alone, when one finally gains a human birth, it is unrealistic to expect them to all of a sudden convert their nature and be disciplined, saintly and intelligent - that takes time, many more lifetimes in fact.
We all started our human journey with a general bottom of the pit mentality, then work our way gradually upward.

That is not a problem.
Just look at planet earth as a school.
Children take 12 years or so to learn.
You don't teach them Shakespeare or ask them to solve quadratic equations in year 1.
And by the time they study Shakespeare and solve quadratic equations, new kids would have joined the school who still study that 4+3=7.

Allow young children to play.
Just start with the basics, like don't hit your friends, like don't take their books away, like don't draw on the wall, like feeding animals, like brush your teeth, like wear a hat in the sun.
And one of the first things to teach children, is to not abuse their friends, to not turn them into one's slaves, to not force them to do things against their will just because you desire a certain outcome.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 11:47:23 AM
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