Standard mhaze.

Blaming others for what he does.

Dear Dan,

Everyone in Israel is equally paying the highest price on the battlefield - right, left, centre and even those who never gave politics a thought: the enemy, the bombs and the rockets know no distinctions.

«So is it a two State solution you support too?»

What I support is that Israel leaves the cursed territories it took in 1967, to the last millimetre. Period.

What happens after that on the other side of its border, should be none of Israel's business.

(obviously, should Israel be attacked again from those territories even after its withdrawal then that would be a whole different new story and Israel will know what to do in such case)

As far as I am concerned, once Israel leaves the West Bank, you too are welcome to come there in person and fight there on any side you like.

«The left wing Kibbutz learned the the most severe lesson about cuddling up to the enemy true.»

Oops, were the Jewish Messianic settlers behind the 1967 occupation?

- No: government in 1967 Israel was held by the left wing Kibbutz members.

Undoubtedly, Israel had to get in and destroy the attacking Arab armies of Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq.
But once it routed them, Israel should have withdrawn back to its borders.

But it didn't. Instead it bulldozed a whole neighbourhood in Eastern Jerusalem unprovoked, with only a few hours notice to its residents, not for security reasons but in order to allow Jewish pilgrims to visit and worship the fake "Western Wall". Later it was them, the "Left Wing Kibbutz" in government who permitted the Jewish Messianic settlers to settle in the West Bank.

Yes, they must learn their lesson, to stop serving as Messiah's donkey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Messiah%27s_Donkey

Anyone who serves Don Quixote, will be badly beaten like Sancho Panza!

Yuyutsu and Foxy;
The problem we have is no matter how enlightened a plan we
would propose, if we were in a position to implement it, the only
certainty is that it would fail at some future time in another war.
I challenged Foxy to come up with a plan but I am not optimistic.
I proposed a plan that would stir up enormous numbers of do-gooders.
It was not a genocide of Arabs plan but a plan to eliminate Islam.
Probably my plan would cause a few wars but perhaps necessary.
Any current plan suggested will cause more wars indefinitely.
I will bet Foxy is pondering my request but it is a near impossible quest.

There is a way to cut down the number of wars significantly;
The whole world agrees to submit to Islam.
We would only then have wars between Sunnis and Shiites !

Sorry Paul, I forgot to reply to you.
You asked why I accept the unproven that UN staff were involved in the
7th October attack.
Well, the UN says they were involved. Are you now saying the UN should
not be believed ?
It all gets very messy doesn't it ?

Really to be realistic we just have to accept that these wars will
go on and on and on with no solution.
Somewhere down the track some fed up government with Nukes will use them.

Hi Bezza,

It is a horrid situation. One with no end in sight.
I had proposed a plan on another discussion - but
Yuyutsu didn't think it would work. I was more
optimistic with a "Nothing ventured, nothing gained"
attitude. I proposed Third Party involvement with
a summit of peace negotiations with the entire region
involved and pressure applied.

Still I'm not a pundit so I guess it should be left up
to the experts who know and understand the Middle Eastern
mentality.

All I can do is hope and pray that this will end sooner
rather than later. And pray that the numbers of lives lost
on both sides will decline.

It must be hard for Yuyutsu having family in Israel.
I can't even begin to imagine what he and they are going through.
Yuyutsu has been so balanced in his views on this forum.
Whi9ch we all should appreciate and value.

Tks Foxy,
Well if we accept that there is no solution then all the rest
of the world can do is to try and disconnect from the middle east as
much as possible.
For instance the NW Passage is open at present so it can provide a
shorter route from Europe to East Asia. Might need on duty Ice breakers
but that would be cheaper than Suez fees.
Some airlines, when there is a shooting war in the ME, go via Russia
and Norway, or India and Kazakhstan so that might be possible.
Also Sydney, Beijing, Germany is close to the Great Circle and so the shortest route.
Africa would be a problem because of Islamic countries on that continent.
How to deal with the UN could be a problem.
Some say it has passed its use by date anyway.
In a dramatically changed world there are many uncovered possibilities.
psst, I wonder if any of the eavesdroppers on here would like to comment !
Tks for replying Foxy.