mjpb,

You say of religious leaders who... " break the rules, I would be better off seeing them as imperfect humans. "

Now what is that all about??

KJ,

Re: who would know?

I think a reasonable inference can be made from the Bible and Christian history that racism is inconsistent with the Christian religion.

Re: imperfect humans

I believe that the media will gleefully ensure that any Church leader who steps out of line gets very publically and thoroughly brought to justice at the very least. I don't have to lift a finger for that outcome.

Rather, I'd see my role as to consider that people make mistakes and not to assume I know all their circumstances. I'd be better off praying that some good comes from their exposure. Someone has to do it and it ain't gonna be media brother.

Wobbles
please forgive off post everybody however -
Wobbles you left a post for us quite some time back that we did not see until too late. I left a reply but possibly you did not go back there.
As you pointed out you didnt always agree with pale but--
It was a nice message and more so because you dont always agree with us.

Thats made it especially nice and even kinder of you.


We have been looking for the right thread to butt in on to say 'Thank You Wobbles` your clearly a nice person.

I hope this is the thread since God is so forgiving and all that but I am not so sure belly will be for crashing his thread.

Sorry Belly and everyone.

We just wanted to say 'Thanks Wobbles

[ You watch our old belly now he might be trying to start a union church.

just kidding belly- A joke ok

PALE,
Things that make you go...hmmmm?

Wobbles,
"Raised as an Orthodox Christian"
"Roman Catholisism"
"most muslims,jews,buddhists I know",/ "shared a flat with two born- again baptists"
"Medieval hellfire analogy"...even more hmmmmmmm?

katinya jim if you will let me I think I will sit by your fire for this conversation.
Boaz David I am not part of your we in your last post, I have no God and am unafraid to stand alone.
Back to Jim ,you and I know sometimes the press is not highlighting crimes church leaders commit.
Not just one church not just church leaders, elders have committed great sins against children too, not all not most few in fact.
But covered up.
Being a man of God is no reason to hide such crimes.
Is it not clear? surely it is? if a crime is committed press are doing what we ask of them in uncovering it?

Surely David you would agree with me? your God will condemn those who do these acts ?
Well sadly he/she will not.
While I like the idea from another religion about Kama I doubt some who are so truly worthless will ever be punished.
Jim I would not be allowed to publish my ideas of the real damage the church sometimes did to your people.
You do not share my view some of the stolen generation needed to be taken to a new chance ,but as a white Australian kid I know the church sinned greatly against the poor white or black.

Belly,

I may not be invited but I'll need to sit somewhere since you are telling me that media cover up crimes of Church leaders. What are you talking about? You certainly have my attention.

Unafraid of God or unafraid to stand (or sit) alone generally?

"Not just one church not just church leaders, elders have committed great sins against children too, not all not most few in fact.
But covered up."

I have seen a few stories of JW elders interfering with kids. There isn't the same media construct as with Roman Catholics so you don't get as much fuss and repetition but it gets reported. I am still curious.

"Being a man of God is no reason to hide such crimes..."

Given the media furore over those type of things my curiousity keeps increasing particularly given the lack of reporting when people are convicted on a daily basis of such crimes but aren't involved with Churches.

"Surely David you would agree with me? your God will condemn those who do these acts ? Well sadly he/she will not."
? So you think God likes that? No wonder you left your born again ways.

"Jim I would not be allowed to publish my ideas of the real damage the church sometimes did to your people."

The Church or the bad exceptions within the Church. Honest answer please. Why can't you publish? You mean illegal?