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For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Dear Foxy,

«Which is a very bold
ambition in a society in which militarism, nationalism,
and of course religion have been and are potent
unifying forces.»

Many renowned Israeli professors have spoken and still are openly speaking against militarism and Nationalism (Yeshayahu Leibowitz being the first, already in 1967) as well as against Judaism (if you wish to call it a "religion"), refuting time and again its very foundations, including the Bible, yet they remain freely and happily in Israel, employed by its most respectable universities.

So long as they produce credible evidence and sound logic, they are most welcome, if not even popular, in Israel and need not fear neither for their freedom nor for their income.

But imagine what would happen if any professor dared to speak against Islam in an Arab university...
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 1 December 2023 1:21:07 PM
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Yuyutsu,

There's so much material available on the repression of
Israel's critics. The material is available through
any public library, book shop, or a search on the web.

So kindly - let's keep it real.
That's what we should promise
Not to misinform
But try to be honest.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 December 2023 1:43:56 PM
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Yuyutsu,

The following link explains:

http://nytimes.com/2023/11/02/opinion/israel-free-speech-hamas-palestine.html
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 December 2023 1:54:44 PM
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Dear Foxy,

The link you provided cannot open without subscription.

During war-time, it is indeed an offence in Israel to speak in favour of Hamas.
It is not an offence, though, to continue speaking against militarism, nationalism or any religion, against Israel's policies, in favour of "Palestinians" or about the suffering of their civilians. Many continue to do so openly and it is easy to find them online.

Several universities announced that students who spoke in favour of terrorism will not be allowed to return to their studies once they reopen, but apart for supporters of terrorism I am not aware of any sanctions against students or professors, even now during war-time. Are you?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 1 December 2023 4:20:28 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

I understand your pro Israel stance, and I would be the same, maybe even more so, if I to had Israeli family living in a war zone, but I would hope not. I hate all wars, I consider myself a pacifist, an anti-militarist, and a believer in peaceful self determination for all people through non violent means. I dislike Zionism and Hamas, as they are too extreme by nature. I am a progressive socialists for want of any other description, believing strongly in social justice.

From what I have said and seen, both Israelis and Palestinians have a right to "peaceful coexistence", but there is nothing I see happening now which is going to lead to a peaceful coexistence anytime soon. The military outcome will be in Israels favour, they hold the (American) firepower, at the determent of the Palestinian people. Agree?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 1 December 2023 4:46:03 PM
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Yuyutsu,

If you Google "Israel is silencing internal critics"
you should be able to read the New York Times link.
There's heaps of others on the web.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 December 2023 5:36:34 PM
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