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What is the Origin of the Palestinian People?

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Calling people who dare to criticize Israel's policies
and actions "anti-Semitic," is not doing favours for
Jewish people and does does more damage in preventing
the recognition of real anti-Semitism.

You can't call it - anti-Semitism when their actions are
wrong and you point that out. If you instigate something
and then get reactions - you can't continue to blame
others. And Israel's history speaks for itself. It's
current actions are even worse.

http://hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-insraeli-killings-palestinian-children
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 4 November 2023 8:30:32 AM
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Oooops - miss-spelt - here's the link again:

http://hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 4 November 2023 8:33:55 AM
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Rabbi and Editor of Tikkun Magazine - Michael Lerner
said:

"If a Jew today goes into any synagogue in the United
States or around the world and says:
"I don't believe in God or Torah and I don't follow the
commandments, most will welcome you in and urge you to
become involved. But say, "I don't support the State of
Israel"; and you are likely to be labelled as a
"self-hating Jew" pr anti-Semite, scorned and dismissed."

http://theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/07/debunking-myth-that-anti-zionism-is-antisemitic
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 4 November 2023 8:55:53 AM
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As with all learned antisemites Foxy, I'm sure that you arrived at your position after an exhaustive and impartial assessment of the evidence, replete with independent fact checks.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/theyre-fools-megyn-kelly-slams-propalestinians-as-disgusting/video/ba97cc2a4a20eed5e5c385c8a88d5901
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 4 November 2023 9:37:55 AM
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James Graham
"If Israel allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East. That’s what you hear from UN ambassadors, European diplomats, and college professors.
But Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own – on five separate occasions?

After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following World War I, Britain took control of most of the Middle East, including the area that constitutes modern Israel.
Seventeen years later, in 1936, the Arabs rebelled against the British, and against their Jewish neighbors.
The British formed a task force – the Peel Commission – to study the cause of the rebellion. The commission concluded that the reason for the violence was that two peoples – Jews and Arabs – wanted to govern the same land.
The answer, the Peel Commission concluded, would be to create two independent states – one for the Jews, and one for the Arabs. A two-state solution. The suggested split was heavily in favor of the Arabs. The British offered them 80 percent of the disputed territory; the Jews, the remaining 20 percent. Yet, despite the tiny size of their proposed state, the Jews voted to accept this offer. But the Arabs rejected it and resumed their violent rebellion. Rejection number one.
Ten years later, in 1947, the British asked the United Nations to find a new solution to the continuing tensions. Like the Peel Commission, the UN decided that to resolve the conflict was to divide the land.
On November 7, 1947, the UN voted to create two states. Again, the Jews accepted the offer. And again, the Arabs rejected it, only this time, they did so by launching an all-out war. Rejection number two.
Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria joined the conflict. But they failed. Israel won the war, and got on with the business of building a new nation. Most of the land set aside by the UN for an Arab state – the West Bank and east Jerusalem – became occupied territory; occupied not by Israel, but by Jordan.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 4 November 2023 9:39:09 AM
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cont,
Twenty years later, in 1967, the Arabs, led this time by Egypt and joined by Syria and Jordan, once again sought to destroy the Jewish State.
The 1967 conflict, known as the Six Day War, ended in a stunning victory for Israel. Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as the area known as the Gaza Strip, fell into Israel’s hands. The government split over what to do with this new territory. Half wanted to return the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. The other half wanted to give it to the region’s Arabs, who had begun referring to themselves as the Palestinians, in the hope that they would ultimately build their own state there.
Neither initiative got very far. A few months later, the Arab League met in Sudan and issued its infamous “Three No’s:” No peace with Israel. No recognition of Israel. No negotiations with Israel. Again, a two-state solution was dismissed by the Arabs, making this rejection number three.
In 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak met at Camp David with Palestinian Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat to conclude a new two-state plan. Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its capital. But the Palestinian leader rejected the offer. In the words of US President Bill Clinton, Arafat was “Here 14 days and said ‘no’ to everything.”
Instead, the Palestinians launched a bloody wave of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands more – on buses, in wedding halls, and in pizza parlors. Rejection number four.
In 2008, Israel tried yet again. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert went even further than Ehud Barak had, expanding the peace offer to include additional land to sweeten the deal. Like his predecessor, the new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, turned the deal down. Rejection number five.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 4 November 2023 9:42:09 AM
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