Foxy,

Hamas is committing atrocities by using their civilians as human shields. Israel is targeting Hamas, not the civilians and is attempting to separate them. Their targeting is not indiscriminate.

Hamas is fabricating the numbers of people killed, and as with the Hamas rocket attack on the hospital, the numbers given by Hamas and reality are vastly different.

Secondly, your claim that Israel should not have the right to defend itself is as absurd as claiming that people should not be allowed to defend themselves against attackers just because they are strong.

Baldrick,

More drivel from you?

If the document was secret it would not have been published. You should steer away from all these conspiracy nuts you are so fond of.

Dear ShadowMinister and Critic,

«If the document was secret it would not have been published.»

The original article in "mekomit" did not claim that the document was secret, only that when approaching the department and asking about it, they confirmed its authenticity but also said that it "was not meant to reach the press".

The document did not claim that the Gazans ought to be expelled, only that since Israel will be forced to decide what to do the day after the war, between the three options they investigated, this was the least dangerous one.

Y,

On reading the translation of the article it is clear that:
-This is a discussion document produced by one individual in the dept, not a policy document
- That has probably not even been read by senior members of the dept,
- Baldrick does not even bother to read the material he provides links to.

shadowfiddler,

You wrote:

"What is not legitimate is the deliberate murder of the other 2/3rds of unarmed civilians mostly consisting of women and children"

As of writing the Haaretz list of victims has published 1006 names cleared for publication of the 1300 killed.

25 of them were identified as being 17 or younger. While certainly tragic this is not the 'mostly' you have claimed.

462 were identified as military

Both men and women receive compulsory military training (women 2 years, men 2 years 8 months) except for some exemptions. Those who are not currently serving but have done the training can be called up at any time until the age of 40.

The barely discriminatory bombing by the IDF has a far greater proportion of civilian deaths. This is acknowledged by the IDF themselves.

Why are you so determined to embellish an already horrific toll?

Give it a miss.

I'll repeat what I posted in my other discussions.

According to an article published by US Foreign
Affairs, 25th October 2023:

" Rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of
Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group's
ineffective governance as they endure extreme
economic hardship."

"Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas's
ideology either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to
destroy the Israeli state, the majority of respondents
in a recently conducted survey favoured a two-state
solution with an independent Palestine and Israel
existing side by side."

"Continuous bombardment and violence will NOT bring the
future most Gazans hope for any closer."

"Instead of stamping out sympathy for terrorism, past
Israeli crackdowns that make life even more difficult
for ordinary Gazans have increased support for Hamas."

"If the current military campaign of Netanyahu and his
government in Gaza has a similar effect on Palestinian
public opinion, it will further set back the cause of
long-term peace."