An Israeli Jew summed things up this way:

"We need to work towards a shared future where we
do not harm each other. We need to create a culture
of peace. Jewish supremacy will not achieve that."

Here is a link of European Jews condemning Israel's
war on Gaza:

http://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/23/not-in-my-name-the-european-jews-condemning-israels-war-on-gaza

"It WAS, yes, until the catastrophe happened."
- Ironic choice of words...

Palestinians were saying that in 1948.

I don't really know the full details of the Abraham Accords or the planned normalisisation of ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
- But what I'm lead to believe is that these things effectively put an end to any 2 state agreement, is that correct?

Now I don't support what Hamas did, the taking of innocent civilians lives, but is it fair to say that what Hamas did has effectively put the 2 state solution back on the table again?

Did what Hamas do give these forgotten Palestinian people a chance to have their own state?

"Netanyahu is a criminal, but I cannot believe he was THAT depraved to do it CONSCIOUSLY."
Well I don't see why they'd be so complacent on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war...
like not even just a little bit cautious, just to be on the safe side?

Lets say you're right and it was complete incompetence from the top down in the military.
That may not be a good thing either if one's planning a ground war.
Hamas wants Israel to go in there amongst all the rubble.
I think the Israelis have been shot up a few times already trying.

Foxy says
"Netanyahu leads what is seen as its most right-wing government in Israel's history."
- I hear that because orthodox Jewish women have on average 7 kids, more than any other demographic - that as time passes the country will only become even more hard right wing, is that right?

Here's another link by Human Rights Watch of some of the
history of abuse:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

The recent situation is even worse.

Dear Critic,

«these things effectively put an end to any 2 state agreement, is that correct?»

Your guess is any good as mine.
There was a huge earthquake and I don't think that anyone can tell how the pieces will fall.

«Did what Hamas do give these forgotten Palestinian people a chance to have their own state?»

I do hope so, that by committing suicide and eliminating itself as obstacle, as well as by bringing about the fall of Netanyahu and his government, Israel will again find the space to allow it (assuming the other side wants). Only time will tell.

«Well I don't see why they'd be so complacent on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war...
like not even just a little bit cautious, just to be on the safe side?»

Yes, everyone is shocked. I told you the shameful direct causes, which are definitely unjustified.
Netanyahu's head will roll, of that I am sure. I don't know who else's.

«Hamas wants Israel to go in there amongst all the rubble.
I think the Israelis have been shot up a few times already trying.»

Hamas miscalculated Israel's readiness to survive despite its internal divisions.
Israel is more cautious this time.

«I hear that because orthodox Jewish women have on average 7 kids, more than any other demographic - that as time passes the country will only become even more hard right wing, is that right?»

Not quite. The ones who have 7+ kids are mainly non-Zionist orthodox Jews. They don't care about left/right or the occupied-territories: some of them don't even recognise Israel's right to exist.

They have their own interests in mind and are presently in coalition with Netanyahu because he gives them more of what they want, yet historically for decades they were allied with Labor which gave them more at the time.

There is an anti-orthodox sentiment in Israel presently and regrettably, some of the opposition parties used it to attract voters, including Yair Lapid's party (Yesh Atid) and Avigdor Lieberman's party (Yisrael Beiteinu).

This present alliance of right-orthodox versus left-secular, is not forever.

http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719000849299407012
>>A week after the Hamas attack, Israel's Ministry of Intelligence issued a secret ten-page document outlining the expulsion of the
Palestinian population of Gaza to northern Sinai, in Egypt:

1. Instruct Palestinian civilians to vacate north Gaza ahead of land operations;
2. Sequential land operations from north to south Gaza;
3. Routes across Rafah to be left clear;
4. Establish tent cities in northern Sinai and construct cities to resettle Palestinians in Egypt

The document has been verified by an official from the Ministry of Intelligence, according to the Hebrew website Mekomit which originally published the document. Mekomit noted that documents from the Ministry of Intelligence are advisory and not binding on the executive<<

Stoolfondler,

Look it up yourself.

The point was:

"What is not legitimate is the deliberate murder of the other 2/3rds of unarmed civilians mostly consisting of women and children, and the use of hostages as human shields.

The attack on Oct 7 was the worst atrocity against Jews since the Holocaust and legitimised the action taken by Israel against Hamas."