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Netanyahu Declares War.

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I've seen a lot of images of dead soldiers in the war between Russia and Ukraine, (Too many) but I have to tell you there's some real nasty stuff going on between Israel and Palestinians right now.

I've seen some very disturbing images today.
My only hope is that all this shocks people into understanding that war is horrible, and diplomacy even if it means compromise is the only way to stop the carnage.

But that said I don't know if there can ever be peace between these two religious groups.
It's like a never ending holy war.
It seems that this is just going to keep happening every few years like a vicious cycle.

As much as we see images of Israeli citizens on the bad end of the stick today, I'm sure that there's plenty of things we don't see that lead to this situation.

There's never going to be and end to the conflicts unless we are actually honest about all the facts.
If you want peace, you really need to put yourself in your adversaries shoes and see things from their point of view.

You can all say what you want about me for saying this;
I'm sure some will imply that I'm defending the Palestinians, but really I'm just trying to shine light on the things that lead to the conflict in the first place.
If people can't be honest about that, then history will only continue to repeat itself.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 6:49:48 PM
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Footage of Hamas thanking Ukraine for the supplied weapons
http://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1710928745878495427
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 8:08:36 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
Do I remember correctly that you supported the return to the 1967 borders.
If so, it's interesting that the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has come out and made a statement saying exactly that.

http://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710690300765585583

Russian Foreign Affairs Ministry:
"We call for an immediate ceasefire and a peace plan based on the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital"
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 8 October 2023 8:09:19 PM
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Ttbn

You totally misunderstand the situation.

#Thex U.S is backing Israel. Albanese has condemned the attack.#

Every death in Israel can be laid squarely at the feet of the US.

Australia desperately needs to escape the death grip of this US monster!; we are cattle lined up in the crush before the slaughter man.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 8 October 2023 9:01:59 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«What I find unfair is that The Law of Return states that
any Jew , born anywhere in the world, can go and live in
Israel. No Palestinian can. To me that is wrong.»

But not more wrong than Australia selecting who may and who may not enter this continent.
To me, the larger the area into which people are not freely admitted, the more wrong it is.

«I think that people
who go to visit Israel should also visit Palestinian
areas as well»

Would you risk it personally?

Anyway, people don't normally go "to visit Israel", they go to visit particular family members or friends and/or to see particular places.
At present, thousands of tourists are stranded in Israel and cannot return home because nearly all airlines cancelled their flights to Israel.

«and see how Israelis treat the Palestinians.
And whether they think this is acceptable.»

You don't need to take such risks, you don't even need to get off your sofa: don't we already know that the treatment of SOME Israelis is unacceptable? But can we do anything about it?

«I can only hope that sooner rather
than later - both sides will be able to sit down and reach
some sort of compromise.»

It is naive to believe that there are only two sides to that story: both societies are badly fragmented and cannot even reach peace within themselves. That is why they need to sell wars to their own people, to keep them together.

«However I don't see it happening
any time soon.»

Not until you can address and handle their internal divisions!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 8 October 2023 11:02:07 PM
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Dear Critic,

Thank you for getting back to me about the hit on Rutenberg power station. That was openly reported on Israeli news.

«Israel declared WAR. Israel attacked, responds militarily. 22 people dead, and at least 545 injured»

So far Israel reports about 600 Israelis dead, 2048 wounded and about 100 kidnapped to Gaza, including whole families with children. Footage showed Gazan children beating a small kidnapped Israeli boy in order to watch and laugh how he calls out "Mommy" in Hebrew.

«But that said I don't know if there can ever be peace between these two religious groups.
It's like a never ending holy war.»

None of them are religious, even while they conveniently claim to be. Please don't let them fool you like that!

«Do I remember correctly that you supported the return to the 1967 borders.»

Yes, and I still wish so.

That 1967 occupation corrupts Israel from within and is the root of Israel's troubles and present implosion.
Leaving these cursed lands is in Israel's best interests, regardless of what happens on the other side of its border.

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Dear Dan,

«It’s ALL the fault of an evil Netanyahu lead government that should not exist!»

It is a fact that they slept on guard and failed to see the signs until the terrorists were inside Israel. And yes, this was because their focus of attention was directed at their inner enemies/rivals, not at Gaza.

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Dear SteeleRedux,

«I think you can add to your list the repeated storming of the Al Aksa mosque by ultra right settlers over the last few days.»

In my personal estimate that was just a pretext and not Hamas' real motive.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 8 October 2023 11:04:31 PM
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