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Netanyahu Declares War.

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Dear Paul,

«Nothing would surprise, will we see Zionist gas chambers constructed in Gaza in preparation for the "final solution"?»

Since this is what you expect, you will indeed have a surprise when it does not eventuate.

Israel will complete the job of cleaning the Gaza strip of the scourge of Hamas, a.k.a. ISIS, then hand Gaza back to its people, clean and shiny, who will finally after decades be able to live without fear. Once Hamas is gone, an economic support package by Israel and the rest of the world will follow to help the poor Gazan people recover, and their borders too will be opened.

It is ISIS/Hamas which plans the "final solution" for anyone who is not their own, including yourself, regardless of your nice views. Do you really think they would stop at destroying Israel if they had the strength to continue annihilating all non-Muslims, even in Australia? Do you think they will listen and allow you to live when you tell them "Please don't cut my throat, I always supported Palestine"?

The people of Gaza should welcome the liberating Israeli forces with flowers. Many secretly do.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 30 October 2023 9:02:06 PM
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"Some people have a bad reaction when they drop acid and delusions of adequacy."
- You pair get high sniffing each others fart vapours.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 October 2023 9:32:39 PM
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And lets all not forget something too.
Netanyahu's government is actively involved in a simple land grab.

If this NOT what he was doing,
Then why was his government approving the destruction of Palestinians homes and the expansion of settlements?
- So yes, of course it's a bloody land grab.

Why would he want to negotiate when he's already succeeding in territorial expansion doing what he's already doing?
- Expanding the state of Israel to it's biblical borders.

And his leadership relies on keeping the Palestinians as terrorists and animals to continue doing so.
I question whether Israel allowed the Oct 7 attack to happen.
Why is it that Hamas was free to do what it wanted for 6 to 7 hours before they were confronted?

That said, given he has the backing of the US and any action taken against them by the UNSC is always vetoed, any vote that doesn't go their way in the UNGA is always criticised and the UN deligitimised.

Israel gets away with everything, and is emboldened by this;
And that's why they are doing the things we see on TV and even demanding the head of the UN resigns.

In any case, I won't condone or give my silent consent to the killing of all those innocent people in Gaza.
The other peoples attitude seems to be "Kill them all and be done with it"
I don't care what arguments others make to justify it, I won't support it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 October 2023 10:45:50 PM
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Dear Critic,

«Netanyahu's government is actively involved in a simple land grab.»

It WAS, yes, until the catastrophe happened.

«And his leadership relies on keeping the Palestinians as terrorists and animals to continue doing so.»

But that will no longer help him.
Netanyahu himself never cared either way: only about his personal and family's survival.
Since most politicians refused to sit in government with him while on charges of corruption and bribery, he had no choice but to accept the worst Nazis as partners and do whatever they wanted.

But something encouraging happened today that couldn't have been imagined a month ago: an Israeli soldier on leave was arrested for shooting an Arab in the West Bank during a settler-pogrom.

Now that Gantz from the opposition joined Israel's emergency government, Netanyahu and his Nazi partners no longer have such influence. Netanyahu will still sit on the PM chair till after the war, but everyone knows that he is a goner.

«I question whether Israel allowed the Oct 7 attack to happen.»

Netanyahu is a criminal, but I cannot believe he was THAT depraved to do it CONSCIOUSLY.

Israel was divided and fought within itself, thus had no time to listen to what occurs beyond its borders.

- Israel's best strategists and ex-generals refused to serve as reservists due to Netanyahu's attack on democracy.
- Israel stopped spying on Hamas' simple copper phone network a year ago, which Hamas used to plan its attack.
(Australia is making the same mistake by abandoning its copper network and relying solely on volatile internet communications)
- Netanyahu had no time to listen to warnings. It was published today that a "high-ranking military officer" asked for an interview with Netanyahu to tell him about Hamas' preparations, but Netanyahu refused to meet him!

«Why is it that Hamas was free to do what it wanted for 6 to 7 hours before they were confronted?»

Like 1973, it was a Jewish holiday and Israel was caught with its pants down.
Still some sporadic units fought the invasion heroically, including with 3 tanks, but they were far outnumbered.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 12:33:46 AM
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In June 2009 United States President Barack Obama
said:

"Israel must acknowledge that just as Israel's right
to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's."

This question is one of the most emotively charged
questions in the vocabulary of international law and
politics. It brings out exterminationist rhetoric
of numerous Arab and Islamic politicians and ideologues.

Benjamin Netanyahu has made it quite clear in his
speeches that Israel is - "Not a state for all its citizens,"
in reference to the country's Arab population.

He's stated that "Israel is the nation state of the Jewish
people. and only it."

Netanyahu leads what is seen as its most right-wing
government in Israel's history.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 8:58:47 AM
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This is a list of those identified from the 1300 dead.

It is from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-10-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/0000018b-499a-dc3c-a5df-ddbaab290000

You will see that over a third of those listed weren't identified as civilians but rather for the most part military.

Among those who are listed as civilians there are those who have obviously done extensive training with the IDF through their conscription and would likely if alive today would be receiving a call up to fight.

Here is an example: http://www.facebook.com/ofek.aton.7/

This relatively young person, who most of us would agree died too soon, is pictured as previously part of the occupying forces in the West Bank and heavily armed.
Under the Israeli rules he would be fair game if on the other side.

This is testimony on Israeli radio from one of the survivors from a Kibbutz attack. She related crossfire killing most of the hostages and a tank rounds going into small Kibbutz homes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-ESUGUUMk

Haaretz reports:  “According to him [Tuval], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages – did the IDF [Israeli army] complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed.

There is lots of reporting of Israeli helicopter gunships using rocket on cars returning to Gaza whether or not there were hostages aboard which is why there were so many burnt out vehicles depicted.
http://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-02cfdbceafc4b81027.htm?utm_source=AndroidNews12&utm_medium=Share
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 11:50:05 AM
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