The Labor Party is going to add another $10 million of our money to Gaza, says Wong, after declaring that they 'stand with Israel'. No they do not stand with Israel. And, before long, they will import more Palestinian "refugees" to chant "f... the Jews", "gas the Jews" in Sydney.

Unfortunately, the conflict is not all that simple.

I think that most of us believe in the right of Israel
to exist as a separate entity. However, Palestinians
certainly have the right to feel desperately occupied,
aggrieved, and angry.

For over two decades Gaza has been under siege. The
Palestinians were dispossessed of land, and then
increasingly dispossessed of more land.

Go back a few hundred years and you'll find both Jews
and Arabs lived in that region. Then Britain colonised,
mandated Palestine, split it into bits, carved off
Israel, and that was meant to be that.

There they were Israel and Palestine. And Israel was supposed
to be a haven. Room for both to exist. So what happened?
Progressive Israeli governments expanded their borders - or
as we say in Oz - they stole the land and Israel turned out
to be no haven.

People began battling in not being able to tell the difference
between Judaism and Zionism. For years many Jews have made it
clear they don't support the actions of Israel and its unfair
treatment of the Palestinians. They are sick of the walls, the
blockades, the unfair policies. They want peace in the region.

But peace will not be achieved for as long as extremists on
both sides are allowed to get into positions of power and
continue to commit atrocities against people.

Hi Yuyutsu,
I don't know if Abraham existed or not, I wasn't there.
- And it's not even important what I believe, what is important is what adherents of those religions themselves believe.

I've stated many times before that I'm more about ethics than religion, as a foundation for a moral compass and knowing right from wrong.
"Everybody has a right to live however they choose so long as they don't harm others."
I think all of the so-called 3 Abrahamic religions are flawed in their own way, and none of them are a true path to happiness or enlightenment.
In the previous I stated 'I like a cold beer every now and again, pretty girls in bikinis and a dip in the surf down at the beach, dogs, and lots of bacon.'
- In case you didn't get it, that pretty much makes me some kind of sinner by the tenets of each of those religions.

"And if you believe that the Jewish Messiah has already come, a descendant of that brutal and evil warlord, David, then why not believe the Jewish orthodox version that he is still to come to rule the Jews?"

Isn't the real truth of the Jewish Orthodox version that they aim not to rule over just the Jews, but to rule over all of mankind?
- Any search of Messianic Age shows it is not an Israeli era to come, but a global era to come.

"And if you do not believe in Sheikh Imran, then why are you bringing his words to this serious discussion, as if to present a truth?"
- I think religious beliefs play a serious part in this conflict, so trying to get a handle on that adds to the discussion, and again it's not what I believe it's what others believe and their hopes to make those beliefs a reality.

Why would I support a future that forces me to become a product of a religious ideology that makes one race privileged above all others?
- Isn't that the same thing we all just resoundingly voted 'No' to?

Australia should not get involved.
We need to set a good example of how a successful democracy operates.
A place where reason prevails.
And when I stand back and consider what is intended by the 'stronger' side in this debacle, I cannot help but feel there is a kind of over-kill about to take place.
Is is really necessary to prove you can be 'badder' than they?
I did have an idea that religious persons had a different approach?
It seems I was mistaken.

Unfortunately when extremists on both sides seem
to be in control, innocent and vulnerable people
end up paying the price.

A horrible situation years in the making.

Hi mhaze,

You said this:
"One wonders how it can be asserted that Israel occupies Palestinian land when in fact there has never been a Palestinian state and indeed the very notion of there being a Palestinian people is a political invention from the 1960s."

- Then I said this to mock what you said.

"One wonders how it can be asserted that Australia occupies Aboriginal land when in fact there has never been a Aboriginal state and indeed the very notion of there being a Aboriginal people is a political invention from the 1770s."

Then you quoted MY comment and responded with "Indeed"

indeed
adverb

1. used to emphasize a statement or response confirming something already suggested.

Your argument wasn't opposing what I said, it was in agreement to it.
Now I don't know how anyone else takes this, but to me it looks as if you first think Palestinians aren't worthy of recognition as human beings because they had no declared state or nation, and you think the exact same thing about the indigenous.

Saying this:
"It is actually possible to recognise that they [the so-called Palestinians] are human"

"It is actually possible"

- It sounds like your going out on a limb to just get to the obvious.

Which is 'They ARE human beings', it's not open to speculation.
It's black and white, there's no 'grey area' in between
- Whether they are pissed off Muslims, on edge and pushed to desperate acts or not.

It's not right to try to dehumanise these people when they've spent generations since the Nakba living in a concentration camp, simply because it politically convenient for you and others to embark on ethnic cleansing, in part for the benefits of on unethical religious global conquest.