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Netanyahu Declares War.

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Shadow Minister,

I'll repeat what I posted earlier.

Israel now needs to make a choice.

Will it be able to recognize that withholding political
legitimacy from Palestine does not help keep its people safe?
Or will it squander its own legitimacy by destroying Gaza?
Israel's history is unlikely to exercise restraint in its
response.

The destruction of Gaza is not a solution to this conflict
and only puts the lives of civilians - both Israeli and
Palestinians at risk. Hamas's act of terror cannot and
should not be legitimized but the broader call for
Palestinian self-determination is something Israel must now
meaningfully acknowledge.

Israel's own legitimacy and claim to be a democratic,
cosmopolitan and secure society is at stake.

Israel has many supporters. But there are also many who
are against the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel
amongst Jews and non-Jews. People like - Avram Noam
Chomsky, Miriam Margolyes, Henry Siegman, Richard Cohen,
Richard Falk, Elan Pappe, Antony Lowenstein,
Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon, to name just a few.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 October 2023 1:12:16 PM
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Oh well, I'm so sorry my mistake.

http://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1711142886366941639
HORRIFIC!
"We put Palestinians in cages and killed them. One of us raped a sixteen-year-old girl; some of us ran after them with flame throwers and burned them."
Zionist soldier laughing...

http://twitter.com/GhazYeager/status/1712635339070693851
“Gaza is a cemetery!”

http://twitter.com/Just_A_Tweeter_/status/1711664827192553718
Palestinian woman showed how people live under shelling in the Gaza Strip.

http://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1712419914651197776
Ursula Von Der Leyen:
"Destroying civil infrastructure, turning off electricity, water and heating is pure terrorist behavior! Indiscriminate bombing of entire residential blocks of buildings is something we will condemn and bring the culprits to international court because it is against every law and European norms! "
Is she condemning Israel?

http://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1712402483115614498
Holocaust survivor Gabor Maté describes the Israel & Palestine conflict as the longest ethnic cleansing operation of the 20th 21st centuries…

http://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1712481844971856025
ISRAEL IS KILLING BABIES - MORE DEAD CHILDREN - THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT PALESTINIAN BABIES

http://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1712268517418975730
While they lie about beheaded Israeli babies, here’s what Israel is doing to Palestinian ones

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres delivers update on the Israel-Hamas war
http://www.youtube.com/live/xiA4hJSR5kM

http://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1712114129375252516
Joe Biden: “If there hadn’t been “an Israel”, we would have to invent “an Israel” to protect our interests”.

http://twitter.com/One_Dawah/status/1711826137985187902
Never forget when the Israel Occupation Forces killed an innocent Palestinian kid for fun, they were laughing and cheering while doing so.
The soldiers were not punished.

http://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1711397654922412151
BREAKING: PALESTINIAN FATHER CARRYING HIS DAUGHTER KILLED BY THE IOF

http://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1712083077294436365
Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are now running out of water.
Humans need water to live.
Truly diabolic Israeli government.
But God is watching!

http://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1712105154793918913
Erdogan: “Any war that depends on cutting off water, electricity, and roads, and destroying infrastructure, places of worship, and schools is called a massacre.”

http://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1711032418101088468
Keep this map in mind when the Israeli occupation claims "self-defense".

No point getting angry at me.
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING

Israels response will show the whole world her true colours, and set the Arab world on fire.
All western nations are now full of Muslims.
This may very well backfire on Israel, really badly.

- And there's plenty more where this came from.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 13 October 2023 1:27:06 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«Miriam Margolyes writes:

"When the Zionists reclaimed Israel, they
didn't take into account the Palestinians who were
already living there . What were they supposed to do?
Were they supposed to disappear?"»

This is because she does not know her history.

Zionism wasn't about the creation of some Jewish state, but about reviving the ancient Hebrew culture in its original land, of which the local Arabs were a natural part. Many of the early Zionists were motivated by their wish to shake off and escape the shackles of Judaism and suspected that Israel could be the only place where they can do it successfully: Hitler later proved their suspicions correct.

When the original Zionists came to Israel, they invited the local Arab population to join them as brothers and sisters in building together a new modern country. The local Arabs were not supposed to disappear or go anywhere - they were supposed to joyfully join the Zionist project and its many benefits. Those who did are so much better off today.

«"My hope is that if I can get Jewish people, My people, to
see the Palestinians as human beings"»

This was the Zionist working assumption and how the original Zionists treated the local Arabs, but the more these Arabs prove themselves otherwise, the less Israelis still believe them to be.

«people with longings
and disappointments, and fears and joys,»

Yes, a longing to see all Israelis dead, including even their fellow Muslim-Arab Israeli citizens who joined the Zionist project; fear of their own leadership; and the joy of killing babies.

«It's about understanding how you would feel if soldiers
came and pushed you out of your home»

They brought it on themselves, needlessly, but if you behave as a terrorist then you will be treated as a terrorist and so might all who cling to you.

Anyway, in the coming weeks the goats will be separated from the sheep. I do sincerely hope that once the goats are eliminated, the remaining sheep will prosper, have their wishes fulfilled and live happily on their land.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 13 October 2023 3:08:36 PM
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Yuyutsu,

According to Reuters the news is not good.

Israel calls for all civilians to leave Gaza City, more than
1 million people to re-locate south within 24 hours as it
amassed tanks near the Gaza Strip ahead of an expected ground
invasion.

"Now is the time for war,"Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said
as Israeli warplanes continued pounding Gaza. The Israeli
military said it would operate "significantly" in Gaza in the
coming days and citizens would only be able to return when
another announcement was made.

The United Nations strongly appeals for such an order to be
rescinded avoiding what could transform what is already a
tragedy into a calamitous situation.

Israel has put Gaza - home to 2.3 million people under siege.
The human misery caused by further escalation is abhorrent.
The UN said it considered it impossible for such a movement
to take place "without devastating humanitarian consequences."

This has been caused as a result of Palestinian anger which
was mounted with Israel carrying out the deadliest crackdown
for years in the West Bank and its right-wing government
talking of seizing even more land.

A peace process meant to create a Palestinian State a
decade ago collapsed - which Palestinian leaders say left the
population with no hope, strengthening extremists.

A bad situation getting worse.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 October 2023 4:08:24 PM
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Yuyutsu,

Miriam Margolyes knows Israel's history very well. As does renowned Israeli historian Elan Pappe and author and journalist
Antony Lowenstein - all of whom have written a great deal on the subject. "The ethnic cleansing of Palestine," by Pappe
is worth a read. All are concerned Jews hoping for this conflict
to end - where both sides can live in equality and peace
sharing the same land.

I think most of us would wish for that to happen. But due to
extremists on both sides - it doesn't look like its going to
happen anytime soon. It's been decades in the making.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 October 2023 4:18:56 PM
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Village idiot,

You would try to hide the murder of innocent women and children behind "the law", we know how good your legal opinions are, we've been subjected to your legal hogwash before, and its wrong. Zionist death squads can be dispatched into Gaza and indiscriminately shoot innocent civilians and then claim; "They were shielding terrorist, and we acted within the Geneva Convention!", give us a break. Then again you know diddly squat about the 'Geneva Convention', and how it can be used as a cowards defence.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 13 October 2023 4:41:01 PM
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