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Netanyahu Declares War.

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Hopefully, the disgusted behaviour at the Opera House and elsewhere will see no more Palestinian "refugees" allowed into Australia. Given the gutless wonders in Canberra, that might be a forlorn hope.

Australia is being wrecked by inappropriate immigration, just like the UK has been wrecked. Unless voters start taking politics seriously, and demanding that Canberra starts acting on their behalf and that of the country, things will only get worse.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 13 October 2023 7:59:55 AM
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The ASIO boss is another one misusing the word 'tragedy' to describe what is happening in Israel and Gaza.

It is not a tragedy - which should be used only to describe events that are accidental or naturally caused.

The current situation was caused by deliberate murder and acts of terrorism, plus, if you like, the unwillingness of people to live and let live, or come to some arrangement peacefully.

No way is the Israel-Hamas conflict a 'tragedy'; it is deliberate, vicious and absolutely unforgivable.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 13 October 2023 8:16:00 AM
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The whole country has become a bleeding hearts club.
People vote based on emotion in support of things that aren't in their best interests but are instead in the best interests of others,
- instead of voting primarily based on what does and does not directly affect them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 13 October 2023 8:19:57 AM
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'No way is the Israel-Hamas conflict a 'tragedy'; it is deliberate, vicious and absolutely unforgivable.'

Same argument can be said of the other side...
The 2-state solution was never considered in Israel in good faith.
Under Netanyahu it's always been about stealing land and ethnic cleansing.
His heavy handed approach keeps the Jewish populace living in fear of 'Sub-human Palestinian animals' no different to what Hamas is accused of.

This is an ongoing cycle of violence that has gone on for decades, and Israels response will only ensure that cycle of violence continues, and honestly it's probably in Netanyahu's interests and goals to maintain this situation.

You can't blame the Palestinians entirely when they are under occupation.
And you can't trust Israel entirely either when they have an interest in taking more land.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 13 October 2023 8:29:22 AM
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This is a family conflict been happening for 3,800 years, Abrahan had two sons one born of Hagar, Ishmael, Sarahs handmaiden, and one born of Sarah, Isaac. Abraham and Lot his brother came from Mesopotamia and settled in the land now Israel. Lot settled in the plains and Abraham in the high country. However, earlier the three sons of Noah had inhabited the lands before Abraham. When you read the history of Jacob and his two wives Leah, and Rachael, of Genesis 29, again you see the jealousy and hatred that existed between them. Read to Genesis 31 and you get the beginning of this conflict and they have never been able to resolve and forgive. During a drought in the land Joseph was put into a well to perish by his brothers but Judah sold him to Egypt traders passing by. The family later during the drought were invited by joseph to come to Egypt, and they were there for 400 years before returning to their lands. Tribal/ family conflicts have never been resolved.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 13 October 2023 8:35:26 AM
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Miriam Margolyes writes:

"When the Zionists reclaimed Israel, they
didn't take into account the Palestinians who were
already living there . What were they supposed to do?
Were they supposed to disappear?"

"That's where, as a people, we Jews fell down, and
where Hitler won. He changed us from a compassionate
nation into a destructive, uncaring and inhumane one."

"The tragedy of the Palestinians is just as much the
tragedy of the Jews."

"My position on Israel has lost me many friends. Naturally
this makes me sad, but I have to tell the truth. I have
seen with my own eyes how the State of Israel is abusing
the Palestinians."

"I doubt the removal of the accused Prime Minister
Netanyahu will change the situation. He is on trial for
corruption charges. He is not alone. Since 1948 , one
president, one prime minister, eleven ministers,
seventeen Knesset members and one chief rabbi have been
found guilty of various offences, from rape to bribery,
and been fined or imprisoned. "

"It is a shameful record ; it proves that the wrong
people are being elected into government. Israel is not
alone in that!"

She goes on to describe Hebron - and what a sad place it is
and how badly the Palestinians are treated. She describes
things she's seen with her own eyes.

She says:

"My hope is that if I can get Jewish people, My people, to
see the Palestinians as human beings, people with longings
and disappointments, and fears and joys, maybe they can
cross the divide. "

"It's about understanding how you would feel if soldiers
came and pushed you out of your home , destroyed your
orchard and the farm that your family had owned for
hundreds of years, and made you feel vermin in your own
country. I keep saying to British Zionists - "Please just
go and look for yourself."

"If the Diaspora Jews brought pressure to bear on the
Israeli government , attitudes could change. "

"Israel must change or it will destroy itself."

The current situation is worsening. With no end in sight.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 13 October 2023 9:28:23 AM
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