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The Nays have it.

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I have been reading the rambling explanations of the 'yes' campaign.
And yes, they are rambling.
As I expected, when one drills down in to them, they become meaningless nothingness.
But many persons are swayed by them, and convinced of their legitimacy?
If that is so, I am worried about the mental acuity of the australian population.
I am beginning to think it would believe that ice would survive in the hot desert sand if you said it would.
And I have yet to hear just ONE valid reason for the proposed change.
And I have yet to find out exactly who wants it.
Is that something known only to the wind, as it whistles its way round secretive, out of the way, corners?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Saturday, 8 July 2023 4:41:50 PM
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Hi Ipso Fatso,

I think the referendum is about whether to ditch or keep the founding principle of equality in Australia's democracy.

A corollary of the equality principle is the idea of the importance of an argument over the person presenting it. I cannot help but notice that the proponents of the "Yes" vote are more preoccupied with the attributes of those arguing for the "No" vote (racist, bigoted, old and irrelevant, stupid, hit in the head with a boomerang as a few examples) than they seem to be with the arguments presented. I would not be surprised if they have little value for the principle and can understand why they might abandon it by voting "No".
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 8 July 2023 5:23:18 PM
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Hi Foxy,

This is a good read as to why The Voice is important. It addresses the common concerns some have, and is a rebuff to those peddling lies and misinfomation.

http://www.anu.edu.au/about/strategic-planning/indigenous-voice-to-parliament?fbclid=IwAR3N-aj9h8vAiNJXc-EvzPigLg04jFBKQHnScA9dSGplNeSPZ5P805rTq
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 9 July 2023 7:37:46 AM
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The "voice" referendum is about equity and how to destroy it.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 9 July 2023 7:37:58 AM
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Hi Paul,

Here are some contradictions from your own link:

"The Voice does not confer 'special' rights on anyone."

In explaining this point, the link states:

"Instead, the Voice would give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples an opportunity to make representations to the Parliament and the government. All Australians have the same opportunity. "

This is a contradictory statement as indigenous Australians will have the ability to make representations to parliament via the Voice in addition to the means available to make representations to parliament open to all Australians. This violates the democratic principle of equality.

"The Voice would constitutionally recognise the unique status and position that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples hold in Australia as the original occupiers of the Australian continent."

The above statement violates the democratic principle of equality as it would distinguish some Australian citizens from others.

"The Parliament can make laws that only affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples."

Again, this violates the democratic principle of equality as by the principle laws must apply equally to all citizens of a nation.

So, far from making me believe that I have been misled, your link supports my concern that a "Yes" vote will debase a foundation of our democracy.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 9 July 2023 9:08:39 AM
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Dear Paul,

I have nothing further to add to this discussion.
Australians will in the end make their own decisions.
Hopefully, they will get it right.

Enjoy your Sunday.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 9 July 2023 9:24:07 AM
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