And don't try and flip the script mhaze,
This isn't about Russian propaganda, it's more about western propaganda, something many of you fail to believe even exists.

You believe everything your told without question, because you think the west holds all these virtuous standards, that don't even exist.
- It's all just hollow virtue signalling, and conditioning.

In truth both the Russian constitution and the US constitution guarantee 'freedom of speech', but the west is no better than Russian.
- In fact, I find that Russian news is more factual, where the West is absolutely drenched in emotionally charged opinion pieces meant to manipulate your opinions on every topic.

Hi AC,

Here is a documentary of the Ukraine conflict that seemed factual to me:

https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-series/putin-vs-the-west

It gave many instances of Putin's dishonesty, in one instance claiming that Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine fighting with separatists were not Russian soldiers because they were on holiday but had got lost. Putin's lies were frequent and over the top. It was comical but for the atrocities he was engaged with.

Hi Fester,
Thanks for sharing, I'll give it a look and get back to you.

I tried get some info about the director Tim Stirzaker, but couldn't find much, but based on show description I don't hold out too much hope that it will have much depth or substance.

But I'll go into it with an open mind and let you know what I think.
I see the director also has other documentaries too.
http://www.timstirzaker.com/

I may have already seen 'Putin, Russia and the West'.
If it's the one I saw on tv a couple of years back I don't think I was overly impressed by it.
I find it's not so much the story they wish to tell, but the stuff they don't tell you or leave out.

It makes me wonder whether they're biased to tell the story a certain way, or whether they're ignorant of the full facts;
- And it's often hard for me to believe it's the latter.

Just the word 'invasion' without being placed into the right context is enough to put me off.
- Truthfully, after the plans for NATO expansion and US coup, as well as attacking Russian-speaking people, they really left Putin no other options, and knowing neo-conservatives, I think that's exactly what they set out to do.
(Only they thought Putin would be ousted after the Russian economy was destroyed by the sanctions, but that didn't turn out that way)

Putin did try to avoid all this with the Minsk agreements which was unanimously adopted in the UN Security council, but western partners never enforced / supported in bad faith and Ukraine completely disregarded whilst the US built up the country militarily.

Putin's first obligation is to defend the Russian people, and after the failure of Minsk, he recognised the independence of the LPR and DPR,( and I agree with that, I think Ukraine lost the right to rule over them after labeling them terrorists and bombing them for 8 years) and then the 'invasion' was actually a move under the right of collective self defense.

Yes I watched it the documentary, if one can call it that.
It was as expected, it's not what they tell you it's what they leave out.

Nothing about the coup, nothing about Minsk, blame the Maidan shooters on Russia, blame MH17 on Russia and all mainly point's of view from unelected European bureaucrats (which threaten and blackmail their member states the same way as the US does everyone else who doesn't kneel), as well as Russia haters, members of the Ukrainian opposition or government and supporters of neoconservative foreign policy to benefit elites and bankers.

Certainly no Russian points of view to give even a pinch of unbiased reporting or impartiality.
- Essentially, well written and convincing bs.

In the exact way Tucker Carlson says the news is lies.
http://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1656037032538390530

At least they told the truth in the last 10 minutes about how the Ukrainian forces were more or less surrounded and how Putin could've gone all the way to Kiev, but they agreed to the Minsk agreements, but in bad faith, and only in order to build up the country military, never to give the Russian speaking people autonomy (who were treated as terrorists after the US sponsored coup).

Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande all letter admitted this.

Hi AC,

I think we will always see things differently, but my respect for you is not about the opinions you form, but for the great interest you have in understanding the world you see your desire to see it become a better place for all.

As I have inferred, I find it hard to see the United States as an evil empire from observing the post WW2 fates of Japan and Germany, and I would much rather see Ukraine supported than see it suffer again as it did under Stalin's tyranny.

What I see in the conflict is the gradual destruction of Russian forces. I hope that Ukraine keeps fighting as they are as it is a very good strategy. Most of Russia's army now appears to be in Ukraine along with their anti-air defences. They have mostly lost the ability to attack, and their ability to defend is diminishing. I am not expecting a counteroffensive for some time, but I do expect to see plenty of counterattacks.

Here's to a better world.