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The thin Red Line

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Angered by counteroffensive complaints, Ukraine's top general says the expected mission is 'not feasible at all' with just the weapons his army has now - Jul 1, 2023
http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-needs-more-weapons-counteroffensive-top-general-zaluzhny-2023-6

>>"Without being fully supplied, these plans are not feasible at all," Zaluzhnyi noted...
He argued that NATO doctrine calls for neutralizing enemy air power and securing air superiority before conducting a ground-offensive, but Ukraine doesn't have the weapons to compete with Russia in the air.
"The enemy is using a different generation of aviation," Zaluzhnyi told the Post. "It's like we'd go on the offensive with bows and arrows now, and everyone would say, 'Are you crazy?'"
The general also pointed out that in the artillery fight, Ukrainian forces are being outshot ten times over.<<

John Kirby - "They are running out of inventory. We are trying to ramp up our production of ammunition they are using most, but that production rate is still not where we want it to be, so were going to send these additional artillery shells that have cluster bomblets in them to help bridge the gap as we ramp up production of normal 155mm artillery shells"
Host - "You're sending those cluster munitions because we don't have enough of the kind of munitions they need?"
John Kirby: "That is right."
http://www.youtube.com/live/aBMMOJqnjlg?feature=share&t=499

Biden - "The Ukrainians are running out of ammunition"
http://youtu.be/UPwyQ3vCrR0?t=26

State Dept. spokesman "We believe the war has been a strategic failure for Ukraine"
http://youtu.be/9Ka4be8A_Jw

My sources foretold all of this SM
Your sources are liars and strung you along.

Meanwhile, Russia has begun mass production of Kinzhal missiles:

Terrifying news for West. Russia started "mass producing" Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
http://youtu.be/EE8i1aqIREc
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 12:00:16 AM
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AC,

Debunking some of your lies:

Ukraine did not lose 80 000 soldiers at Bakhmut it was closer to 8000. Russia lost about 40 000.

The US is a long way from running out of ammunition, and the 51 countries supporting Ukraine are supplying plenty.

And in the last year, Russia lost Kherson the Karkhiv oblast, and much of the Luhansk oblast and their much-vaunted offensive captured only captured Bakhmut which they are about to lose. Russian casualties at Vuhledar were horrific.

So far Russia has lost most of the tanks and vehicles it started with and is now using T54s and T55s. Russia's artillery systems are being hunted and destroyed by the Nato guns and HIMARS that have greater range and accuracy. Its headquarters and warehouses are being destroyed daily. Ukraine now has more tanks and IFVs than Russia and is catching up on artillery.

Russia is losing this war and is retreating on all fronts.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 9:02:17 AM
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"Ukraine did not lose 80 000 soldiers at Bakhmut it was closer to 8000. Russia lost about 40 000."

You must have the mind of a freaking goldfish mate.
Tell me in 20 words or less how Ukraine took 5 times less KIA when Russia had 8 to 10 times the amount of artillery?

You want to know something that talking with you has taught me SM?
Just how completely gullible and clueless the people who believe all these bought and paid for narratives really are.

It's like 'The Greatest Trick the Devil Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World He Didn’t Exist';
- You think that you and the rest of us in the West aren't victims of propaganda, and that only countries lead by dictators use propaganda.
Yet we in the West are THE MOST propagandised of all.
Go over to a Russian news site and show me where the 'opinion pieces' are.

You really are a victim of the information war.
Bought into the propaganda hook line and sinker.
You're not the direct problem in this world, but you are a symptom of everything that is wrong in it.
On the other hand though, as long as there are more idiots like you who believe all the lies - and who outnumber the others who have some sense of what is real and what's bs, nothing in this world is ever going to change, things are only ever going to get worse,
- And that includes all the good things that you support, will all be for nothing.

If you're so gullible to fall for US foreign policy lies and propaganda, then it doesn't get much worse than that.
You may as well be screaming about Iraqi WMD's
- that's how dumb you actually are, no offense.

The term that comes to my mind is 'useful idiot'.
The evil people of this world could never get away with the things they do, without the support of clueless morons like yourself supporting their lies, narratives and propaganda.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 7:44:00 PM
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It's people like yourself that are going to have the blood on your hands (indirectly of course) when this war in Ukraine gets serious and somebody nukes someone.

And if Putin does it, I'm still going to say that it was US foreign policy together with the help of people like yourself who are to blame for it.

It should be obvious that neither side is going to give in.
The West isn't going to give in (unless forced to abandon Ukraine due to lack of military ability to continue the war or political reasons - election next year) and will continue to escalate nor will Russia so we're on a collision course for nuclear weapons use unless one side backs down. Sooner or later one side is going to think "there's no end to this" and consider a pre-emptive strike.

You're actually lucky Russia is winning and doesn't need to use them.
- Because they would if it came to it, and then we'd have the totally fecked up scenario discussed in the main forum a few days ago, 'How will Australia fare when a nuclear holocaust takes place?'

The US could support a negotiated settlement of this conflict right now if it wanted, but it would have to sit down with Russia and negotiate European security guarantees including ones that Russia supports, and the US isn't in any way willing to do that.

This has always been about conquest and looting of Russia, it's not even about Ukraine.
(Empowering the Ukrainian Nazis is no different than empowering the Mujahadeen or any of the other completely messed up situations the US has historically created AS A MATTER OF POLICY BTW)

Building up NATO, profiteering off military industrial complex, removing Putin, installing a US puppet ruler, subjagating the Russian people with Marxist western liberalism, chopping Russia up into small microstates and looting every resource, industry and aspect of wealth in the 21% landmass of the Russian Federation owned by the Russian people.
(not to mention Ukrainian coup itself and explotation of such to western financial interests as a added bonus)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 7:46:03 PM
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Baldrick,

Only a dumbass ignoramus would think that Russian waves of soldiers attacking well-entrenched and armed positions would lose fewer soldiers than those in the entrenched positions. Note that artillery is less effective here and Russia's superiority is far less than 10 to 1 today and continues to fall.

Ukraine continues to slaughter Russian tanks IFVs and artillery way faster than Russia can replace them.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 13 July 2023 4:41:24 AM
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Blinken: Ukraine Will Be "Defenseless" Without US Cluster Bombs
http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-ukraine-will-be-defenseless-without-us-cluster-munitions
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 July 2023 8:36:05 AM
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