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The thin Red Line

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AC,

The Ukrainians lost about 1/3rd of the men in Russia's illegal invasion during the 1 yr siege of Ukraine.

Ukraine is happy to keep fighting for years, Russia will try but is losing so many men and tanks etc that in a year it will be exhausted.

Keep on dreaming AC, Russia is losing
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 3:28:25 PM
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Still believing the news releases from the most corrupt nation in Europe backed up by western propaganda I see.
Ukraine will run out of money, weapons, ammunition and men before too long.
They've already largely cleaned out all of the US and Europe's weapons inventories.
- And what ammo Ukraine uses in a few hours is what the collective west produces in several weeks.
- This WONT CHANGE unless the collective west moves to a full war economy.
Do the math, read what experts are saying, not what the news (for general consumption) is saying.

Or you can always go and watch so more Pro-Ukraine video's and news articles and keep on believing until the end I guess.
It's fools like you that have helped to ensure the whole of Ukraine is completely destroyed and several hundred thousand Ukrainians along with it.
- Your lot really should've gone to the negotiating table last April before Boris Johnson stepped in.

They know the counteroffensive will fail, but when it does the US will expedite the F-16s
And then when the F-16s fail Europe will have to replace them all with F-35s
Ka-ching ka-ching for US Military Industrial Complex and war mongering US politicians
- Nothing like a war to keep the US economy afloat.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 4:30:29 PM
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After the US spent 8 years building up the Ukrainian military, everything the west could give, including the inventories of 31 NATO countries and more...

Ukraine couldn't even defend one city against a group of largely untrained Russian prison inmates.

Think about that.

Where's Fortress Bakhmut?
- It doesn't exist anymore, it's called Artyomovsk now.

You really need to find yourself some better news sources, here try these:

Belgorod Reckless Stunt Damages Collective West Narrative
http://youtu.be/a9XPC_FamPo

Col. Macgregor: Ukraine Is FALLING APART As Putin Marches West
http://youtu.be/B0q7tiopkdw

When are you all going to realise that US regime changes don't lead to good outcomes?
The US thought Russia would capitulate under the strain of it's economic sanctions.
It didn't, and they've been scratching their heads ever since.
I told you months ago it's over, it's merely a matter of time.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 4:49:58 PM
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Price Gouging and Profits on US Military Equipment
http://www.youtube.com/live/ylIljM6u9ac?feature=share&t=2450

Try to see the bigger picture of the money EVERYONE involved in the US makes from war, and they all have their finger in the pie.
- They're all riding the gravy train.

Victoria Nuland US has invested $5 billion in Ukraine
(This video is 9 years old, dates back to 2013 after the Maidan)

The bankers, the military industrial complex, the politicians, ALL OF THEM, making money from overthrowing other people countries.

It's not about democracy, it's about everyone making a crapload of money, that's why they want to chop Russia up into tiny pieces and loot everything there they can as well.

It's a well oiled machine to steal everybody else's wealth and resources.
They've been doing it for a long time.
The US prints these things called 'greenbacks' and swaps them for the wealth of other nations hard earned labours.

When are you all going to realise that the US is nothing more than an organised crime syndicate, that uses threats, blackmail, regime change and military intervention to steal whatever it can.

The collective west are vassal states to the US that do as they're told, because if they don't support this 'theft-based order', they too become targets.

It's not about human rights and democracy, it's about imperialism, and enriching itself at the expense of others - no more, no less.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 9:05:18 PM
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Victoria Nuland US has invested $5 billion in Ukraine
http://youtu.be/rPVs5VuI8XI

Gotta spend money to make money...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 9:06:51 PM
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Ac and SM,

All this arguing over which side is telling the truth and which is lying is just monumental naivety. Thinking that my side is telling the truth and the other is constantly lying just shows a spectacular lack of understanding as to the truth about the fog of war.

Here's a headline for you boys....both sides are lying.

How do I know this? Because, as anyone with even a mild understanding of the history of warfare will attest, all sides lie in war and always have. From the first time two blokes pointed spears at each other, truth took a beating.

You cannot determined how many died in Bakhmut on either side. But you can be bloody sure that the numbers coming from each side are wrong. You can be also reasonably sure that even if they wanted to tell the truth (and they don't) they wouldn't know the correct answer anyway. The Ukrainians wouldn't know how many Russians died taking the city and, almost certainly, the Russians don't know either.

All you can be certain of is that no certainty exists. The truth might come out eventually, but not for half-a-decade or more. The best you can do is follow the events on the ground and draw from conclusions from that.

Overcoming Bakhmut took the Russians far longer than expected (AC was proclaiming its fall 6 months ago!!) so that tells you a good deal about the state of the Russian forces. Equally the long promised counter-offensive remains a promise. If it comes then conclusions can and will be drawn about the state of the Ukrainian forces based upon the outcomes of that offensive. And if it doesn't come then other conclusions will be drawn.

But making predictions based upon what your favourite side tells you is a fool's errand displaying a woeful lack of historic understanding.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 25 May 2023 11:08:16 AM
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