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The thin Red Line

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Oh look who's a funny boy then SM
Don't stop living the dream mate.

21 Jun, 2023
Ukrainians know they have ‘no chance’ against Russia – Putin
http://www.rt.com/russia/578418-putin-ukraine-offensive-odds/

>>Ukraine has stopped major offensive operations after realizing its forces could not win, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday.

“Oddly enough, it is a slow burn at the moment, because the enemy is sustaining serious personnel and equipment losses,” Putin said. “As of early this morning, our men had taken out 245 tanks and about 678 armored vehicles of various types, to say nothing of the enemy’s casualties, which are substantial.”

Kiev’s forces are currently in the process of rebuilding their brigades, which took serious losses, Putin explained, but fear that taking more casualties at this rate will eliminate the combat capability of not just their strategic reserve, but their entire military.

At this moment, Putin said, “offensive operations are not ongoing,” only elements of combat such as shelling and reconnaissance in force.

Retired general Andrey Kartapolov, who commanded the Russian expedition in Syria in 2016-17, has also estimated that Ukraine will exhaust its offensive capability by the end of June at this rate, with 40% of its force in the theater already rendered combat ineffective.<<
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 23 June 2023 9:26:36 AM
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Hi Fester,
"I read that 60% of the electronics in a cruise missile is made in the USA. So much for Russian high tech weapons of terror, but the Chinese are undoubtedly supplying Russia with western electronics to evade the sanctions."

I don't know what percentage is made with foreign components, but I know that sanctions against Russia has actually done the country a favour as a lot more money is now being invested inside Russia, instead of going overseas.

Regards the Chinese, yes that's supposedly true.
Apparently there's flights of tech equipment flying out of China for Russia every single day.

"With the reservoir drying up Ukraine now looks like it has more opportunities to advance."
- Only if they're willing to risk sending heavy armour across the river bed, and I'm told that before it was a dam, it was actually a swamp, there's a significant risk they could get stuck in mud and be targeted by Russian missiles and drones, their chance of making it across intact, aren't great at all.

"Meanwhile the Russian army is struggling to maintain it's defensive lines"
- Bullcrap, last week you said the Western plan was based on Russians 'running away'. Look at those claimed losses above, what's Ukraine got to show for it? A couple of farmhouses.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 23 June 2023 9:26:53 AM
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Did you know that in so far as Russian defensive lines are concerned that their strategy isn't to defend them like each defensive line is the last line of defense?
They are actually built in a way that when necessary the Russian defenders will deliberately fall back to a further line of defence allow the attackers into whats called a firebag and rain hell upon them, then after that they move forward again to take back the lost position.

Not that any of this even matters, because Ukraine has lost a massive chunk of men and hardware, and is still fighting outside the fortified defensive lines, in the security zone.

The Pro Russian side actually expected the Ukrainian counter-offensive to go much better than it did, if the Ukrainians didn't stop what they were doing, EVERYTHING would've been destroyed for zero gains of any significant value.

You guys have been listening to all the wrong people.
My side foresaw the imminent failure of this counter offensive
But even they didn't predict it would go this badly.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 23 June 2023 1:12:38 PM
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Shoigu also said that reserve armies are being formed in the Russian Federation, which will be ready by the end of June. Recruitment comes at the expense of contractors, who receive an average of 1,336 per day (which is equivalent to a regiment). In total, 114 thousand contract soldiers and 52 thousand volunteers were recruited.

At the same time, in the new recruitment of volunteers for the war in Ukraine, according to the minister, "there is no need."

http://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1671930097476009984
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 23 June 2023 6:40:12 PM
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"- Bullcrap, last week you said the Western plan was based on Russians 'running away'."

I think that was SM AC, but as SM has indicated, Ukraine does not have to take the Russian lines head on. You can see this on a small scale where Ukraine has been conducting limited assaults with the purpose of locating and destroying supporting artillery, reinforcements and supply logistics. With this approach the front line has been collapsing/retreating as supplies run out. P'yatykhatky, by this approach, is now in Ukrainian hands, and Russian attempts to take it back have so far failed.

On a larger scale, Ukraine is now starting to wipe out the bridges supplying the Russian forces in the south. Ukraine is also becoming very effective at targeting Russian military hardware, and I think that is starting to make a big difference for them as well. There is speculation that if the defences start to collapse, Russia may precipitate a nuclear disaster at Enerhodar in order to prevent the advance of Ukrainian forces over the Dnipro.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 23 June 2023 8:23:52 PM
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The west is losing, I'd say neocons are considering a false flag attack to draw NATO into the conflict. (and the worlds ire against Putin) Neocons have no reverse gear, they're losing, and running out of options, they've largely run out of weapons and are looking for a way further extend the conflict and gain the upper hand.

The counteroffensive was failing, neocons got together and said what are we going to do, and obviously 'false flag' attack on a nuclear plant was discussed.

Russia doesn't need to nuke anything at this point. All it needs to do is continue to grind down the Ukrainians slowly and steadily.

The only scenario I can see where Russia might use nuclear weapons is
A/ if the counteroffensive resulted in a risk of cut off the land bridge to Crimea or Ukrainian forces entering Crimea itself or
B/ Ukrianian forces attacking Russia itself, where it would be well within it's rights to let of a nuke on it's own territory.
- There is no risk of either of these things at the moment.

I did however hear about some Russian a few days back urging to use them, not Medvedev someone else can't remember his name, started with 'K' it was about a week back nearly and would be difficult to go back through videos to find it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 24 June 2023 6:33:25 AM
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