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The year of enforcement - Secondary sanctions.
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Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 13 April 2023 7:38:50 AM
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You're so naive.
NATO countries have already given everything they can to the war and left their own nations defensive capabilities severely depleted. Openly sending what's left of their forces into Ukraine would make them full party to the conflict, allow Russia to move to full mobilasation and risk nuclear attack by Russia. And there's plenty of Europeans fighting for Ukraine, they 'sheep dip' them. That means they take off their NATO or nations military fatigues and put on Ukrainian ones. Chinas going to take Vladivostok. Ahahaha, funny man - It's only 10am and you'd better go and pop on your pj's because you're entering dreamland. You must really live inside of clown world. Maybe you're the clown in charge. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 April 2023 10:10:21 AM
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Dear Critic,
I am in no position to decide whose information is correct, yours or Shadowminister's. All I can say is, that if your information is more correct than his, then we should all be taking and biting on our cyanide pills - if you truly believe in what you are telling us about the impending victory of China et al. who are on their way to come and get us, then you should be among the first to bite on yours. I, however, am not ready to bite on mine on the basis of rumours, so for now I rather live my life on the assumption that Shadowminister's information is more correct. What is clear to me is that I will die a free person, not in Chinese captivity, and while I still live as a free person, I will continue to do the little I can in my limited capacity to help Ukraine, which is to play and sing Ukrainian songs in fund-raising events for Ukraine, including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nkgfoaI_rI Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 13 April 2023 12:13:26 PM
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Y,
Facts always trump propaganda. Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 13 April 2023 4:46:04 PM
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Dear ShadowMinister,
Indeed, facts trump propaganda, the question being how can I tell the facts from rubbish without investing tons of time on research, which I do not have or rather use differently? Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 13 April 2023 5:44:57 PM
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Leaked Documents Suggest Ukrainian Air Defense Is in Peril if Not Reinforced
http://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/09/us/politics/leaked-documents-ukrainian-air-defense.html You have to be careful with the NYT, as it's the first media publication members of the US government deliberately leak to when they want to get a story out. The consensus is that it was leaked in the US by Americans. Is it propaganda meant to confuse the Russians about Ukraines coming counter offensive? Was it a deliberate attempt to stop unprepared Ukrainian military from being annihilated? Certain parts are being denied by the US government saying Russians have modified casualty numbers, but if the numbers were true they would have to say that as some officials like Lloyd Austin would be held in contempt for lying when questioned by members of congress in regards to the exact state of the war. Or was it a deliberate leak meant to make officials panic into doing more to prepare for the coming offensive. Oleksii Reznikov, Ukraines minister of Defense has recently been to Greece and Cyprus begging for S-300 and BUK missiles, so the state of Ukrainian air defense seems to be accurate. From the article: "Stocks of missiles for Soviet-era S-300 and Buk air defense systems, which make up 89 percent of Ukraine’s protection against most fighter aircraft and some bombers, were projected to be fully depleted by May 3 and mid-April, according to one of the leaked documents. The document, which was issued on Feb. 28, based the assessment on consumption rates at the time. It is not clear if those rates have changed. The same document assessed that Ukrainian air defenses designed to protect troops on the front line, where much of Russia’s air power is concentrated, will “be completely reduced” by May 23, resulting in strains on the air defense network deeper into Ukrainian territory. If that happens, officials say, Moscow could decide it is finally safe for its prized fighter jets and bombers to enter the fray and directly threaten the outcome of the war on the ground." Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 April 2023 8:11:34 PM
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Another delusion! China is having financial troubles at the moment and in spite of sabre-rattling, China cannot afford secondary sanctions and it has been very clearly warned as to what will happen if it supports Russia Militarily. Also, the Russian army being destroyed will open things up for China to take back some disputed areas such as Vladivostok.
If Ukraine reaches Meritopol they will do what they did to Kherson, Izyum, and Lyman. The Russians will do what they did before and bravely run away.
Secondly, to refute some of the BS claims that you regurgitated from Russian propaganda:
1 - Russia is fighting 31 NATO countries. No it's not. There is not a single NATO soldier fighting in Ukraine. What NATO and other non-NATO countries are giving is aid, weapons and information. NATO would swat Russia like a fly.
2 - Russia blew up 70 000 tons of fuel in Zaphoritza. This bollocks ranks along with "the dog ate my homework" etc. Notably, no evidence has been supplied even though this is close to Russian lines and this would be visible from far further away.