With one hundred percent of Australians governed federally by Labor, and 98% in the States and territories (not Tasmania), where does this leave the opposition parties, Federally the Liberal/Nationals are disparagingly referred to as the "Noalition", the parties of no policy who can only say "No". In the capital the 'Noalition' an appropriate description, is run by a few survivors of last Mays devastation, headed by in my opinion the worst Opposition leader since Billy Snedden in the 1970's, if you don't remember the forgettable Billy, then Mark Latham for Labor is a contender for the title. Speaking of Latham who now sits in the NSW retirement chamber (Legislative Council) for worn out politicians. The Mark Latham One Nation Party scored less than 2% of the popular vote in NSW on Saturday, and Hanson herself just scrapped in last May for a federal Senate seat in Queensland.

Is there an emerging leader for conservatism in Australia, we don't yet know about, who can rally the troops and take the fight to Labor? Just had a brain snap, thinking maybe its Mark Latham! Open to other suggestions. Possibly Clive Palmer... yes, oh no, is it shades of Joh for Canberra days once more.

Paul, the Public Education system is promoting the Woke ideology where the generation from 18 - 25's are being educated in how to protest and that the earth is facing extinction because of human activity by the public education system, they are the new voters who are being taught by political activists to believe the climate doomsday lies.

Opposition parties?

There is one only active opposition party: One Nation. With the Dutton capitulation to Green Labor, Australia is now a virtual one-party-state. The country is now bright red, except for Tasmania, and we never get a squeak from them.

Enslaved, frightened Australians, mostly political illiterates, seem to like it that way.

Just wait for the Unions to pull the strings in unison !

ttbn,

If you are correct and its been left to One Nation to oppose Labor, rather difficult without any actual members in the lower house, then a vacuum in politics should exist whereby a "charismatic" leader should emerge from right field. I did ask the question;

Is there an emerging leader for conservatism in Australia, we don't yet know about, who can rally the troops and take the fight to Labor?

Such a leader may come through the Liberal Party, or create a "popular uprising" from outside mainstream politics. An example of the former is Trump in America, he was ostensibly an outsider, but was able to use the apparatus of the Republican Party to achieve his goal of becoming President. Could there be a "Donald Trump" somewhere in Australia ready to charge from right field and take up the reins of leadership. In the political class of today I can't see any talent in the opposition front bench at all. Realistically it would be a shock should the conservatives return to government federally at the next election, so there are some years in the wilderness to come, there is time for a true leader to emerge. I would assume that person in now somewhere in the business class.

Bob Hawke was the last Australian Prime Minister to come from outside, although he was well credentialed through the union movement , and not serve an apprenticeship in politic. Hawke took up the leadership in what was then a rather stale Labor Party, with a lacklustre leader in Bill Hayden. Hawke then had very quick success with his consensus (agree with Bob and we have consensus) brand of politics.

Where is the next Bob Hawke, this time for the Liberal Party?

Is there an emerging conservative leader? No/maybe. No for now, but maybe in the future if Alex Antic moves from the Senate to the lower house - and if he is not blocked by the factions.

But, at the moment, and for the foreseeable future, the Liberal Party is finished.

There is no point in talking about a Trump, because the Westminster system doesn't allow for anyone but career politicians to get a look in. I have given my opinion elsewhere on who gets to be nominated by our corrupt political class.

But, as you keep telling me, I am too old to matter, and I don't have to come up with answers. It's all about Millennials now according to your mate SteeleRedux who thinks that are soooo wonderful. They are f…ing it up, they can fix it after my generation is gone.

The Conservatives have already gone the way the Left is travelling on now !
We'll just have to bide our time for common sense to make a feeble comeback !
As long as Universities aren't held to account, their two-legged products will continue to destabilise economics with the help of Unions.
Gone are the days when Unis produced brainy, useful people & Unions cared about people !

There was a time in 2014 when the Libs were in power in Canberra and every state other than South Australia. I'm sure at that time there were bozos like Paul who wondered if the Labor Party would ever make a come-back or could find a leader to take them to the promised land. Some of us are still wondering that.

The nature of Australia politics is that there are swings back and forth between the parties. This will have gone over the heads of the historically challenged like Paul who always make the mistake of seeing long term trends in short term chance occurrences.

The nature of politics in the era of the uni-party where the difference between the two 'majors' is in style not substance, is that each takes its turn. The people are dissatisfied with the state of the nation and therefore occasionally seek to shake things up by appointing the other party who are furiously offering the same thing. (For example, the biggest issue in NSW seems to have been the privatisation of water deliverance system, which the Libs promised not to do and the Labs strenuously promised not to do!!. Uni-party indeed).

So will the Libs find a leader to take them on a new course? No. But they will find leaders who are just electable enough that the dissatisfied electorate will give a chance to do just as little as their uni-party predecessors.

The village idiot clearly has a short memory. Maybe it's dementia.

You know the clueless forum far right Trumpsters don't have an answer when all they can do is belch out their rubbishy name calling, bozo and village idiot etc.

One cleans toilets for a living, and there's nothing wrong with that, but he comes on here at another time claiming he is running a 100 million dollar business, and is a man of "legal letters" I think the word is DELUSIONAL! The other one claims he has something to do with running federal elections, AMAZING!

So we have MR DELUSIONAL and MR AMAZING, now isn't that something. Don't worry fellas, Nursy will be along shortly with your dose of 'Doze Ezy' for the night, sweet dreams.

I point out that Paul's assertions (claims without evidence) are misplaced and draw his attention to his lack of historic memory and his response is to throw a tantrum. Perhaps addressing the issue that he raised might have been more adult. But alas....its Paul.

BTW I didn't claim to run the Federal elections, only that I ran one of the several thousand voting booths at that election. But I mentioned that a year ago. How could anyone expect Paul to remember that?

So back to the issue that Paul himself raised and now wants to avoid. The Libs are in a position that the majors have found themselves in several times over the past few decades....ie out of power everywhere. They will hang in there, wait for the Labs to screw up and then regain power, just as always occurs. Will they unearth a new spiritual leader in the meantime? I doubt it. But they don't need to. The ALP didn't.

mhaze,

"The Libs are in a position that the majors have found themselves in several times over the past few decades....ie out of power everywhere. They will hang in there, wait for the Labs to screw up and then regain power, just as always occurs ..."

That's if they don't implode.

They will at least have to reinvent themselves ... judging by their school kid high-jinks during question time, they have very little left to offer.

I'm curious to see who will take them forward when night-watchman, the splendidly vacuous Dutton, is moved aside.

mhaze,

There is no tantrum from me, just the opposite. You say its only a matter of time and the opposition will somehow resurrect itself, and past history vindicates that. I somewhat disagree, in the majority of cases, post WWII, it has required the arrival of a strong forceful style leader to give confidence to the electorate to embrace change. I believe both Whitlam and Hawke for Labor, Menzies and Howard for the Liberals had the necessary characteristics. There were a series of men who as Opposition leader failed to engender confidence in the electorate with their lacklustre leadership, Calwell, Lathum, Hayden and Shorten for Labor, and Snedden, Peacock, Nelson and Downer for the Liberals were all poorly performing leaders who really were not PM material and their parties in some cases suffered longer periods than necessary in Opposition, because of that leadership failing.

Looking at the present federal Opposition, led by a complete dud in Dutton, and a glance at his front bench of total incompetence, it may take another decade in the wilderness before the 'Noalition' returns to power. That's if another party or group doesn't usurp their place as the official opposition to Labor.

Poirot wrote: "That's if they [the Libs] don't implode."

Well again, every time a party finds itself out of power across the country, there is this questioning as to that parties future. But they just live on and await their turn. There is no successor party on the horizon with all the minor parties having cut out a niche from which they cannot escape. If things get really bad as the recession hits, its possible that a revolutionary figure like Trump could emerge, but that seems unlikely in the Australian context.

Poirot wrote: "They will at least have to reinvent themselves."
Well I don't think they do. I fervently hope they do, and become a truly liberal party, (its why I wanted them out of power - to encourage that rethink). But at this point they seem to just want to hang around and await their turn and that has worked for all parties in their position this century.

I like the characterisation of Dutton as a night-watchman. In my lifetime, no one who took over the leadership of a party who lost government (Federally) has taken that party back to power. It shows particular political ineptitude to even volunteer for that thankless job. (Unless of course your aim isn't to become PM but instead to position yourself for a few board of directors seats). Its interesting that Matt Kean has opted out of the race to lead the NSW Libs.

Of those currently there, I'd keep an eye on Angus Taylor and Andrew Hastie. But not much else. As Paul points out, they're likely to be out for a decade (that seems to be the rough tenure for governments except utter failures like Whitlam and Rudd) and that's more than enough time for someone else to rise through the ranks.

The Liberal Party has to do this. The Liberal Party has to that. Advice comes mainly from people who think that the Liberal Party hasn't moved far enough to the Left.

The Liberal Party has gone Left, and lost a heap of voters. The Liberal Party is not going to anything but frizzle up and die, because it doesn't have the right people in it.

Dying altogether would be the best thing for what is left of the Liberal Party. We don't need two parties the same; we need a proper conservative party in opposition to the Socialists.

But, the Australian electorate is too bloody stupid to demand that, and they will have to to do with wall-to-wall Socialism - only Tasmania is still holding out, and they will go soon - and this country will continue going down the gurgler like all other Western countries are doing: eaten away from inside by the Left and stupid, complacent citizens.

We need to stop worrying how our down-and-out political parties are faring, and demand a new political class that will put a stop to this sort of nonsense:-

Another 650,000 immigrants are forecast to infest Australia by next financial year. More pressure on poorer Australians and even fewer houses for them to live in.

ttbn,

You are a hoot! - "The Liberal Party has gone Left, and lost a heap of voters."

Left of who, Genghis Khan?

Just noting, that I've previously mentioned the schoolyard behaviour of the federal Coalition, who yesterday rushed the doors to avoid a vote after the Speaker had called for the doors to be locked. In doing so, they injured a female attendant.

I find this kind of behaviour to be puerile in the extreme.

mhaze, thank you for your thoughtful response.

Albozo is the Coalition's best way to get back into power. Openly lying to the public about the voice is a death sentence in politics just as Juliar found out.

Hi Poirot,

Its a matter of context and perception, in ttbn's case he is in the half a percent category, in 2018 he joined a right wing party in Cory Bernardi's "Australian Conservatives" a party of total failure, scoring less than half a percent of the popular vote. It then shut up shop, leaving members like ttbn in the political lurch. He's been sour on the mainstream right every since, for what he perceives as acts of treachery against true conservatism.

Yes, as we know Genghis Khan was a bleeding heart liberal, a true humanitarian, a man of peace no less. Albert Schweitzer and Mother Teresa rolled up in one, AND a lefty as well!

SM

Do you really think that the average Australian knows he/she is being lied to? If they do, do they care? As long as they get their free stuff they don't care who provides it. These pathetic creatures have painted the mainland red. They have elected a lunatic who openly said that he was going to "change Australia", which he is doing, without opposition from a slightly less-left, but getting lefter, bunch of halfwits who don't know their arses from their elbows.

The average Australians have got what they deserve. You and I and the few other right-of-centre people remaining are going to have to live with the Socialist dystopia for a long time yet. At my age, I don't think I will see the pendulum swing back, if it ever does.

The result of the Aston by-election today clearly shows how out of touch the Liberal Party has become, smashed in a supposedly safe Liberal seat. The result showed what a useless Opposition leader Dud Dutton is proving to be.

Admittedly, the people of Aston were voting to replace a Liberal "piece of crap" but a 6.6% swing to the government has not happened in over 100 years in such a by-election, in a seat held by the opposition party..

ttbn

Every decade or so Australians forget how crap the Labor/Greens governments are and give up common sense for the left's virtue signalling and comforting lies.

The "voice" is Albozo's attempt to deliver on one of his promises and is royally cocking that up too.

SM,

Is there any truth to the rumour that your party of choice, the Liberal Party, wants to re-badge itself, and from now on will be known as the Fuddy-Duddy Party? I had to laugh when the "Loser", what's her name, was giving her defeat speech last night, her and The Dud were standing there like a pair of freaks from a 'B' grade horror movie, she thanks the parties number one geriatric Little Johnny Howard for his efforts. What efforts, his efforts in getting her smashed!

The Conservative vote of under 40's has slipped to around 1 in 7, no major party can survive for very long with such an abysmal young vote. The age group where the Fuddy-Duddy Party vote is holding up is among the octogenarians and older. And it looks like they expect to return to government on that vote in 10 years time, what! on the votes of dead people.

Paul,

Is there any truth in the rumour that there is a new party being formed called the pedogreens?

1405 is still making disparaging remarks about 'old farts' and 'fuddy duddys' while oncealing his own advancing years, rabbiting on like a teenager, and adhering to immature Green politics.

Now, however, he has revealed that his wife is 73 years of age.

We can now conclude that the clown who makes a point of being an ageist, is most likely to be somewhere between 73 and 80 himself.

What a fraud!

"The Conservative vote of under 40's has slipped to around 1 in 7"

Kids have been brainwashed at school by all the lefts woke narratives
It's indoctrination, not education, and then you have the media. [Rolls eyes]

Can't really blame Paul when the right is hamstrung by these facts, and lead by out of touch d#ckheads that couldn't fight their way to an election win out of a wet paper bag.

'Dead in the water' sums things up quite well actually.

Nope dope,

I'm not between 73 and 80. You're okay, Nursy will be along shortly with your nightcap of warm coco and a couple of Doze Ezy's to put you back into la la land.

ttbn, anything to say about that disgusting 'tweet' about an openly gay man from your folk hero the Laughable Latham?

HeyPaul1405,
"...disgusting 'tweet' about an openly gay man..."

Why is it considered disgusting for someone to state to truth.
I'll admit it was a little unbecoming, and not in good taste, but it wasn't necessarily incorrect, so why is everyone making such a big deal about it?

- No one's going to get upset if I say the sky is blue, as an example.

Hi AC,

The truth can be disgusting, (Pauline Hanson said Lathem's comments were "disgusting") just like anything else he utters. I'm sure Latham has a few little peccadillo's of his own, he may well not liked to be publicly aired, even though they are true.

1405

Stop lying and admit that you are and OLD MAN. Your wife is 73. Are you claiming to be a child-groom?

Looks like OLD 1405 is not going to give his age away because to do so will make him look even more of a hypocrite and bullsite artist; he would also be unable to call the rest of us 'old farts' either, if he let on how old he is.

We know that he projects his own hatreds and bigotry on to others; it now seems he has been doing the same thing with is vile ageism.

At his own local Greens branch, the kiddies probably thing he is an old fart; that hurts, so he tries to hurt others with it.

Hi there ttbn,

You poor sod, why all the interest in my age, I'm not concerned, or interested with your age. All this 'flaming' you are engaging in, posting the same thing across multiple threads, getting all vitro, hot and bothered, making demands. Your usual target hasn't been posting for a few weeks, so I suppose you're getting rather frustrated with it all. I'm not much of a target, cause I just think you're a "Wally" and I don't care Nursy will be along shortly with your warm coco and a big fat 'Doze Ezy' pill for you to swallow, hold the nose and count to three, and down the hatch she goes.....sweet dreams old cock.

1405

You are a persistent ageist, using the ages of other posters to insult them, and you ask why I am interested in your age! You are interested in my age and other people's ages because you are always harping about old people and telling them it's their age that makes them think the way they do. It's pretty obvious that you are old yourself - you revealed your wife's age (73). So, that gives use a fair idea that the peanut calling us old farts is an old fart himself.

ttbn,

Now its gives use (sic), who are these use people, you're on about. The only use for you is useless. Have I asked you your age, me thinks not. I find your views very old school, very conservative. As I said before an Old Fart is anyone with old conservative ideas,such persons age could be 28 or 88, age is not relevant, but you seem to think it is.

Paul,

You and the greens are the ultimate fuddy-duddies with left-whinge policies that failed in the 70s. They are ever popular with the youth because they haven't experienced their failure yet.

Shadow, from now on your new title is "Stormy" after you know who, I'm sure your would have loved to been in the real Stormy's position, you little old Trumpster you.

A serious question: Does Dud Dutton remind you of anyone from the 1960's TV 'Addams Family'? Lurch....no...Uncle Fester possibly? Just asking. How embarrassment! If he was made PM and he went OS. The French would say; "Oh mon Dieu! voici Fester Oncle!" and the Germans; "Sprichst du Deutsch! hier kommen Onkel Fester!"

ttbn, are you still attacking older folk on the Forum, because of their age?

In the latest 'Newspoll' Dud Dutton is the preferred choice as Prime Minister by a miserable 24% of voters. On a two party preferred Labor leads the Noalition 55/45. That would see the Noalition lose at least 10 seats, including the Duds seat in Queensland.

Village idiot,

You are the twit that brought up age yet are one of the oldest farts on OLO with failed ideas from the 50s.

With your decrepit wife of 73, you are either of the same age or have serious mummy issues. Did your mum disown you after you went to jail?

With your love of Trump and Nazis, you are pathetic.

Stormy,

Have you appointed yourself ttbn's publicity officer with that spray. Seems, just like ttbn you're fixated with my age. I don't care what you say about me, but now in your nasty vindictive style you can't get at me, so you are trying to insult my wife, who has never posted a word about YOU on this forum.

Given your form, and your claim that you are the "boss" where you work, I can only imagine what the workers say about you behind your back. and it wouldn't be pleasant. You say you are in NZ, do you tell them there how much you love and admire Brenton Tarrant, me thinks not.

Village idiot,

I don't give a crap about your age or your elderly spouse other than you first raised the issue and have since continually lied about it.

I report to the CEO, and have very capable and experienced people working with me and we get on very well. As you come from the dung heap (I should call you Baldrick) these are probably concepts that elude you.

Perhaps you can recall to your co-idiots your admiration of Jonathan Doig and your time together with Brendon Tarrant,

Stormy,

Posting on a nondescript forum at 2.29 in the afternoon on a Tuesday NZ time, can't be doing too much "bossing" at your $100 million job then, if that's all you've got to do at such time. What do you do when you're not posting in work time, flush the urinals and play 'Pac-Man' on the phone. Claimed he "saved" the company $30 million, how was that, did you take the dunny rolls from the toilets? Imagine how much more you could be "saving" if you weren't bludging and did some actual work at 2.29 in the afternoon on a Tuesday.

Village idiot,

I have a voice for writing dictation software which enables me to reply in 30s or less so that I can reply to brainless fwits and hold a team meeting simultaneously.

What a hoot Stormy!

"I have a voice for writing dictation software which enables me to reply in 30s or less so that I can reply to brainless fwits and hold a team meeting simultaneously."

Pray tell how do you get your fantastic 'dictation software" to disguise your profanities like the one above "fwits" and another of your Favourites "sh!t" with an exclamation mark. YOU ARE FULL OF IT!

Village idiot,

You are also a fwit as far as technology is concerned. Have you heard of custom dictionaries? Idiot.

Stormy,

Well, well, well, there you are sitting on the khazi typing insults on your phone to an anonymous poster on a nondescript forum, while trying to dislodge a dodgy curry from the night before. AND, talking to the terds below at the same time, is hardly a TEAM MEETING at 2.29 in the afternoon on a Tuesday. Do some work you fraud!

Unfortunately this Forum has once more degenerated into an echo chamber for Old Fart opinion. With no young people interested in having a say, no women contributing regularly, little in the way of progressive opinion offered, just a handful of mostly old conservative geriatrics peddling the same old, same old. How many times can one read, Voice vote No! etc until it becomes a worthless piece of boring crap.

It is obvious that Paul lies in bed thinking of antisocial diatribe at night. Just like Dan Andrews!

1405 needs an audience. Deny him that - ignore his rubbish - and he will crawl back under his rock. I have to admit that I have been guilty of encouraging his bullshite, too. But, no more. Arguing with idiots instead of just stating our opinions demeans us all.

Of course if you are a masochist and enjoy being insulted because of your age or your opinions, values and beliefs, keep reacting to 1405 as he wants you to. But, despite all how-to's written by psychologists on how to deal with bullies and narcissists on line, the same psychologists will tell you that there are some of them it is best to turn your back on. I believe 1405 is one such bully we need to turn our backs on.

With the village idiot being the most flatulent old fart.

What once would have been sensational news, a party split, the resignation of a Opposition front bencher, today seem to be run of the mill for the media.

"Liberal MP Julian Leeser has resigned as shadow attorney general and shadow minister for Indigenous Australians, less than a week after the Liberals confirmed they will oppose an Indigenous voice in the constitution." Leeser, along with a bunch of other Noalition MP's will actively campaign for a "YES" vote for the Voice in opposition to their own leader and party..

Today this is hardly news and is treated by the media as "another ones gone".

Paul,

The Liberal party unlike Labor or the Gangreens allow a diversity of opinion within the party. Whereas Labor requires every MP to toe the party line 100%.

I think you'll find that what JL considers appropriate for the "voice" is very different from what Albozo is proposing.