AC,

You need to wind back your Russian propaganda a bit.

The "Rules-based Order" is not a US-based formula, it is a series of treaties covering the oceans, trade, space etc. that have been negotiated and signed by most countries on the earth including Russia and China.

The problem with Russia and China is that like petulant children they would like these treaties and rules to apply only to other countries and
they should be allowed to ignore them if they are inconvenient.

Hi AC,

How sickening was it to hear Richard Marles our Minister for "Buy American" waffle on about "Rules Based Order", and how it must be respected and obeyed. This is an American phrase trotted out by Biden an co, and now by the sycophantic Marles and other politicians in Australia to justify wasting billions on nuk subs. In fact the meaning of "Rules Based Order" is whatever the Americans say it is at the time to justify what they do to get their own way in the world. Whenever has the Americans stuck to international rules when taking action against others?

"In fact the meaning of "Rules Based Order" is whatever the Americans say it is at the time to justify what they do to get their own way in the world. Whenever has the Americans stuck to international rules when taking action against others?"
- Yes, exactly.

Just watched this video.
- It's about China becoming the worlds peacekeeper and guardian of international law, in a multipolar world.
That it's not aiming to be the worlds policeman or project power like the US does.
And even that China is a one party nation that supports democracy in other nations, respects religious practices and does not involve itself in other nations internal affairs and is helping to build up third world nations where the west keeps nations down and exploits them.
It's a great video, well worth watching.

China-Russia meeting; deepening economic, energy and military cooperation
http://youtu.be/Qzx0QfcWaog

- I'd like to hear what others think.

AC,

More bollocks from you. China instigated the Korean war, invaded Vietnam, invaded India, had a war with Russia, occupies Tibet, imprisons, tortured 1500000 Uighurs, built illegal islands in the South China sea etc.

So, this video is fictional at best.

Well lets just hope it is, because the other option is WWIII

Tell me shadowminister,
How do you think this plays out
- with Ukraine, NATO and the US winning,
And Russia and China losing?

What scenario do you see playing out where that is the outcome?
Putins just going to go back to Moscow with his army and all the Russian speaking people in Ukraine with his tail between his legs
He's going to be removed from power from his own people and a western puppet government installed
- And dragged before the ICC?

Good luck with that.