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Don't worry - its just corporate fascism

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Australia’s drug regulator hid vaccine deaths from the public, concerned that “disclosure could undermine public confidence”, it has been revealed.

http://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/15/australias-drug-regulator-hid-child-vaccine-deaths-to-maintain-public-confidence/
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 16 February 2023 10:04:22 AM
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"The Daily Sceptic"

Why am I not surprised : )
Posted by Poirot., Thursday, 16 February 2023 10:12:38 AM
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Poirot,

It is very human to remember the past as one would hope it was. So yes, people remember that they always knew the vaccines didn't stop the transmission of the dreaded virus, because that way they can convince themselves that they weren't duped.

But simply looking at the events and popular responses at the time show that the masses were duped.

If the majority didn't believe the vaccine would stop the transmission, then the vaccine mandates make no sense. But the mandates were sold on the basis that this was how to stop the virus.

Its all very well to dig up recent quotes from the authorities which now tell the truth, but the critical issue is what they were saying when it matter. My Fauci quote is from mid 2021. Your's is from mid 2022. See the difference?

Its also rubbish to say that they were speaking from lack of data therefore all is forgiven. For a start, they never expressed reservations about their take on the vaccine. But more to the point, they knew that what they were saying was wrong. The Pfizer CEO admitted to the EU Commission that the vaccine wasn't designed to stop the transmission and indeed they hadn't even bothered to check if it did so. And Fauci's recent paper which I linked earlier, shows that he knew that the vaccine couldn't possibly stop the spread. Yet he said and the majority believed that "vaccinated people become dead ends for the virus." It was a lie. He knew it was a lie. It was said for political purposes not medical ones.

So when all else fails, Poirot falls back on the 'conspiracy theory' trope:

1. These aren't theories. The Twitter Files are fact. No one is denying that this censorship occurred.

2 Perhaps you might like to go back and acquaint yourself with all the things that people like you have called 'conspiracy theories' over the past few years, that turned out to be true. Indeed it can be truly said that this year's conspiracy theory is next year's accepted truth.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 16 February 2023 10:24:02 AM
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At the end of the day, side effects will outweigh the benefits.
- And that's not a conspiracy theory.
Nor are the precedents they set to lockdown, track and trace and keep databases of vaccinated and unvaccinated, and use that data for means other than a pandemic; as opposed to quarantining the entire country from the virus.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 11:35:25 AM
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In regards to quarantining the whole nation as stated above, and if there was no avoiding the eventual infection of the country they could've done it in an orderly manner.

And if the vaccines were shown to be effective in reducing severity and death, they should've been transparent about the unknown side effects and let people choose, and only used lockdowns within the country in a way that meant the most vulnerable people had the best standard of medical care when it was allowed in.

For example, open up the country and do state lockdowns 6 weeks at a time where all the excess hospital staff were sent to each state to look after the most vulnerable as slowly introduce the virus to the country.

For eg.
1. Quarantine the country, and prepare for an influx of patients.
2. Lockdown VIC, send all medical staff there and allow the release of the virus by allowing international travellers
(For a limited window depending on the amount of nursing staff available to adequately cope with infected patients needing care.)
3. 6 weeks later move medical staff to NSW and lock the state down (except the border with VIC allowing the virus in.)
4. 6 weeks later move medical staff to QLD and lock the state down
(except the border with NSW to allow the virus in.)
5, 6 weeks later SA,
6. 6 weeks later WA
7. 6 weeks later NT and TAS.

Orderly release of the virus, giving free choice of the vaccine and ensuring the best care for the most vulnerable.

Call it the PPPPP plan.
(Prior Planning Prevents Pisspoor Performance.)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 2:53:10 PM
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mhaze said "Of course, (and this seems to be hard for others to follow) the issue isn't whether the vaccines worked or didn't work. The issue is that dissenting voices were suppressed and censored by government/media/pharma and democracy can't work like that. Its interesting watch the soft-authoritarians here trying to justify this censorship."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10053#344733

Also "A collaboration between major corporation, the media and government - the very definition of Fascism. They called Trump a fascist but they were merely projecting."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10053#344720

Answer- The philosophy of science- the scientific method- falsifiability- rely on challenges from colleagues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

If Corona Authoritarianism occurred then Corona Science was probably corrupted.
In a sense democracy itself is a scientific process- it has issues similar to the economics information problem of "The Efficient Market Hypothesis"- and when authorities control and distort information democracy becomes tyranny and governments and the associated bureaucracy lose their democratic protection. In the words of Locke they become just another gang. The British Westminster System was one of the steps along the road to distribution of power- some perhaps for this reason favour more localized forms of power distribution. These different systems of political power are experimental ecosystems each competing and cooperating for survival in a dangerous world. But the woke left seems to be against popularism and localised forms of government.

When do the people stand up and say something? Or don't they have the courage to act for their own self interest and ultimately their survival? No one else will stand up for them. I suppose many people are sheep to the slaughter- there's only so much we can do to help them. It's only when you have nothing to lose that you fight- but if they take it slow enough then they can boil you alive- some are more aware than others.

When will the people see that the woke left don't embody the same beliefs as them? Communism doesn't work.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 18 February 2023 4:08:17 AM
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