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The last days of the Russian Empire

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The West will never admit it's done anything wrong
No matter what mess the West creates it will double down and escalate hoping to find something that can change the situation in time.

So neither side will budge, and many more will be killed by their adversaries.
On the Ukrainian side, this means teens (young kids that have yet to grow facial hair), handicapped and elderly (balding old men) being taken at gunpoint and sent to the front lines.

I've even heard they're turning up at funeral services for dead soldiers to collect and conscript family members / friends.

It's not all just 'hate Putin' narrative or 'Russian propaganda' you know.
Ukraine is not a good and decent country.
They sell weapons meant for their own troops to the highest bidder and send untrained men into battle without even having fired a gun, (and never even live to see a Russian when killed by artillery barrages. Even their bureaucrats grifting kickbacks from overpriced food procurement for troops.
They even assassinated one of their own negotiators last year.
- And that's just the stuff we know about.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 8:05:17 PM
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AC,

To correct some of the half-truths and distortions you posted.

TOW missiles have been around since 1963 and the modern version has a kill rate of> 90% and can penetrate even reactive armour.

Ukraine already holds 3x the anti-tank missiles to kill every Russian tank and AFV, even those in storage, and the same goes for the anti-aircraft MANPADS.
The stinger missiles are now obsolete and not used by the US army. They still have over 100 000 in storage. While the US has been using stockpiles in Israel etc, the US and EU can vastly outproduce Russia when they get going.

Of the 10 000 tanks in Russian storage most have been parked in the open for decades and virtually none are battle ready. If they were Russia wouldn't be using T62s and T64s. The Bradley's treads /weight is better than the t72 tanks. Poland is now going to supply an additional 40 T72s and 100 BMPs from their stocks.

Russia's attack on the Orikhiv area over open fields was a massacre with the result that the front line has now moved further south.

Russian soldiers are dying at a rate of over 10 000 per month and the Russian budget is well in the red.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 26 January 2023 6:35:21 AM
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"Ukraine already holds 3x the anti-tank missiles to kill every Russian tank and AFV, even those in storage, and the same goes for the anti-aircraft MANPADS."

Yeh well Putin has Sarmat, Poseidon, Hypersonic missiles Khinzal and Zircon and Avangard Hypersonic Glide vehicles.
- Best not to forget that.

"Of the 10 000 tanks in Russian storage most have been parked in the open for decades and virtually none are battle ready."
I was just responding to your claim they'd have to pick up parts strewn across the battlefield, they have plenty of tanks they can use to modernise.
"If they were Russia wouldn't be using T62s and T64s."
I remember hearing something about that, maybe lighter and easier to maintain, can't remember exactly what it was right now.

Well see what happens when they launch their next counter offensive, if Russia hasn't launched their own offensive first.

Watched this last night, it was reasonably interesting.
Interview with Viktor Bout, the Russian Brittney Griner was traded for.
http://youtu.be/aLOzzuByYzc
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:04:19 AM
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"Russian soldiers are dying at a rate of over 10 000 per month and the Russian budget is well in the red."
Yeah yeah, and they only send in human waves and are running out of missles any day now, I've heard it all before.

Do you understand that as for propaganda, that you will play up your own sides successes and play down your losses,
- whilst at the same time you play down the other sides successes and play up their losses;
Both sides do this, it's a part of war but Ukraine is doing it so much more so.

Good example is Arestovich saying that the missile that hit that the building in Dnipro was firstly downed by Ukrainian forces.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/17/ukrainian-adviser-quits-after-claims-over-russian-missile-that-killed-dozens

Not sure why he said that, but you can see the truth as opposed to the narrative.
Why should we doubt him?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:16:42 AM
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AC,

What Russian successes? Soledar, a tiny town of 10 000 pre-war, was captured after 5000 Russian died and more were injured after human wave attacks of Russians running over open fields into the teeth of machine guns and artillery. The Ukrainians had losses, but nothing like the Russians.

All this while Ukraine captures settlement after settlement in Luhansk and is closing in on Svatove and busy attacking Kreminna and killing Russians in their barracks all along the front line.

Of the 10 000 Russian tanks, about 2500 are considered salvageable after significant rebuilds.

All the missiles you mention are not precise. ICBMs are useless in Ukraine as are all the others you mention. Russia still has no answer for the HIMARS.

Russia is presently digging deep into its wealth fund, to pay laid-off workers etc. This fund is not likely to survive much past 2023.

Russia's single biggest problem is that Ukraine will not stop killing Russians by the thousands until Russia retreats to its pre-2014 borders
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 26 January 2023 1:40:47 PM
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Discussions are now being had with regard to delivering F16s and A10s to Ukraine.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 26 January 2023 1:42:43 PM
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