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Beyond minarets: Europe’s growing problem with Islam : Comments
By Shada Islam, published 19/1/2010Can one be both European and Muslim?
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Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 7:53:59 AM
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LOL Pericles,
I note that you have – again – failed to define "mozzie-baiting" be it "mindless" or "mindful". Under the circumstances I don’t see how I can report back. What am I reporting on? So here's the deal. You tell me what is mozzie-baiting and I'll tell you whether I find mozzie-baiting or masturbating more pleasurable. Specifically, I need to know the following: --Is ANY attack on Islam mozzie-baiting? --If not, what distinguishes a "mozzie-baiting" attack on Islam from a non-mozzie-baiting attack? --What is the difference between "mindless" mozzie-baiting and "mindful" mozzie-baiting? If you can answer these simple questions I promise to report back promptly. If you can't answer these questions – ie if you cannot give a reasonable definition of mindless and mindful mozzie-baiting – then I must conclude you are just another self-righteous blowhard. And while we're about, CJ Morgan, You have again weighed in with one of your favourite words – "Islamophobic". Please provide a definition. Is ANY attack on Islam "Islamophobic". If it is I plead guilty. But SO WHAT? If not please explain what constitutes a "non-Islamophobic" attack on Islam. If you cannot provide a reasonable definition of "Islamophobic" I must conclude that you too are just another self-righteous blowhard. Posted by stevenlmeyer, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 9:40:13 AM
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Steven, since it's a neologism I think the Wikipedia definition is as good as any:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia It seems to me that your prolific obnoxious comments about your fear of Islam and contempt for its adherents fit well into that definition, as do those of your cohorts in this thread. Speaking of which, when it comes to Islam there are few correspondents here who "blow harder" than you do. Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 9:57:03 AM
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You need to brush up on your history, Constance.
>>The Irish issue began with the English invasion and oppression of that country where they killed off almost 40% of the Irish population - not religious<< You will find that every "invasion" of Ireland - including those conducted by the Scots - had religion at its roots. >>Those Tykes and Prodies are certainly a menace in our world today, right(?)<< They are to each other. You perform the same mental gymnastics as your confederates here. If it is Christians doing the bashing, or the terrorism, or the murders, or the genocides, it "isn't a menace in our world today". Very convenient. And as for you, Glorfindel, you need to take a long hard look at yourself, if this is what you genuinely believe. >>But I really can't be bothered debating with you. I'm a positive person who affirms life and the values that make life good.<< Here's some of your recent positive affirmation. >>Islam is a mental disease, a boil on the bum of humanity<< Heaven help us all if you ever became a negative person who finds evil everywhere. >>You don't appear to understand anything about serious, modern, internalized Christianity.<< Dead right I don't. But if the bile you spew around the place is anything to go by, I'm very glad to stay ignorant of its joys. >>But I am genuinely disturbed by your preparedness to defend evil.<< If you describe taking aim at people who say things like "Islam is a mental disease, a boil on the bum of humanity" as defending evil, than I'm glad to be guilty as charged. The attitude shown here by people who proclaim that they are made in their God's image, says some pretty "disturbing" things about that deity, I'm afraid. Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 7:41:27 PM
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Constance
The recommendations are pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WcWWBdaesM But these are lone voices in the Muslim wilderness. You would recall that Mamoud Taha a Muslim reformer was charged with apostasy and hanged in Sudan soon after shariah law was imposed. “Through the influential Muslim World League, President Nimeiri was openly pressured to have Taha tried and executed as an apostate”. http://static.rnw.nl/migratie/www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/africa/sud060118-redirected The Muslim World League is present in many Western countries. Pericles may be one of their members. Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 8:54:08 PM
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Phillip,
It is so very sad that Mahmoud Taha was executed. His predictions and stance say a lot. If only he was still alive. Oh what the Sudanese government has gotten away with and to think that they once held (fairly recently) the Presidency in the Human Rights Commission of the UN. You have to wonder about the UN? “Why should I bring him up to be hostile to the world” as quoted by Dr Al-Ansari. He and the Iraqi politician spoke of the hatred of others espoused in the Arab (Muslim?) education system . The Iraqi politician spoke how glad he was that the Iraqi school curriculum was now bettered/replaced since the arrival of the Americans because the existing education was so hateful of the other. This sick Leftie cringe and their alliance with the Islamists is so weird. There is so much hypocrisy. I heard an Iraqi speak at a non-political but social/world citizen- like event in Berlin over a year ago and he was also astounded and non-plused how the new Lefties blame the US and allies for all the deaths in Iraq if so the sectarian fighting had nothing to do with it. I saw an interesting documentary at a Sydney Film Festival a few years ago about an aspiring Iraqi student film maker experiencing a somewhat Hollywood film making trip in the Czech Republic who expressed his glee of the American invasion of Iraq to deaf ears of the Leftie Canadian director of the film he was participating in who refused to understand where he was coming from and just ignored/rejected anything he was saying. This Iraqi man had pictures of Charlie Chaplin on his Iraqi bedroom wall and was in pain and cursing the Sunnis and Shites while sitting in his bedroom. I myself am ambivalent about the whole Iraqi invasion. Saved souls from further annihilation from Sadam Hussein, yes, I think. But the repercussions of Western involvement - what's it worth? You heard the politician's comment about the oil. Yes, they are Cassandras in the wilderness, but who listens? Posted by Constance, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 11:40:34 PM
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Clearly, you ought to be making "positive" contributions to this Islamophobic gabfest - undoubtedly of the kind modelled by stevenlmeyer, Philip Tang, Constance, Glorfindel et al.
Mind you, I'm positively anticipating the results of steven's experiment.