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Beyond minarets: Europe’s growing problem with Islam : Comments

By Shada Islam, published 19/1/2010

Can one be both European and Muslim?

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You're not still on about that, are you Philip Tang?

>>We’re all waiting for Pericles to say why Islam is a peaceful religion<<

You're like a broken record.

This is from an earlier post on this very thread...

>>As I have made clear so many, many times before, Philip Tang, I am neither a basher of, nor an apologist for, any religion.<<

Life is far too short to make judgements on other people's weird beliefs.

And for heaven's sake Glorfindel, read what you write before making such ridiculous generalizations.

>>Unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam exalts violence and hatred. On sex, it is Freud in spades. Racism and slavery are endemic in the Muslim world<<

I have little direct knowledge of Judaism, although I believe they use the Old Testament a great deal. And there are a few verses in that document that exalt violence and hatred, I can assure you.

“Thus saith the LORD of hosts... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” 1 Samuel 15

As for Christianity, it depends a great deal whether you look at theory or practice.

Most Christians I know defend their religion on the basis that Jesus was a peaceful kinda guy, and went around saying peaceful things. Like...

“For I say unto you... those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke 19

And sex? There's nothing so hung-up as a true christian when it comes to sex.

Augustine set the pattern

“The man who fused Christianity together with hatred of sex and pleasure into a systematic unity”

http://www.jknirp.com/aug3.htm

Racism and slavery were not entirely foreign to Christians either, Glorfindel. I'm sure I could find some examples for you.

>>Muslims enjoyed a better lifestyle in non-Muslim Britain than they did in Muslim Saudi Arabia<<

I think that is a good thing. I too would prefer to live in a tolerant society.

Unlike you, obviously.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 29 January 2010 11:34:00 AM
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Pericles,

The issue at hand is about Islam and its ideology.

It is good for you to admit that you can’t give any rational defence of being an Islamic apologist.

The following is a good example of how an Islamic apologist goes about defending Islam after a Muslim doctor committed the Fort Hood massacre killing more than 10 soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8dIeRmYg_g
Posted by Philip Tang, Friday, 29 January 2010 8:38:16 PM
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Not at all, Philip Tang.

>>The issue at hand is about Islam and its ideology.<<

The issue at hand is people who go around forums such as this proclaiming "Islam is a mental disease, a boil on the bum of humanity", and similarly peaceful Christian sentiments.

>>It is good for you to admit that you can’t give any rational defence of being an Islamic apologist.<<

Since I am not one, I have no need to present a defence, rational or otherwise.

But I do realise that you find it mentally challenging to take on board such simple concepts, and make allowances accordingly.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 29 January 2010 11:37:12 PM
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Pericles,

You have completely failed to account for the

(i) Muslims conflict with Hindus in India,
(ii) Muslims conflict with Christians in Nigeria,
(iii)Muslims conflict with Buddhists in Thailand
(iv) Muslims conflict with Jews in the Middle East
(v) Muslims conflict with Socialists in China and Russia
(vi) Muslims conflict with secular humanists in the West
(vii)Muslims conflict with Muslims in Iraq and Pakistan.

"Islam is a mental disease, a boil on the bum of humanity", aptly describes the current position of Islamic terrorism and the way Islam denigrates women, homosexuals, non-Muslims.

Thus far you’ve only been ranting against Christians and Christianity. You need to go beyond that.
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 30 January 2010 1:39:11 AM
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On the reference to Luke chapter 19.

Twisting words of scripture to make a deliberately misleading point is dishonest, intellectually bankrupt, and worthy of no respect. As Shakespeare says, "The devil can cite scripture for his own purpose."

Luke 19 contains a parable about a man of noble birth who went abroad to be made king, handed out various sums of money to his servants for prudent investment while he was away, and then returned. In 19:26 the parable concludes with, NOT JESUS, BUT THE KING IN THE STORY, saying that his enemies should be brought before him and killed. Such was common practice in those times; the image is used to emphasize the indignation of the king. Read the account in the NIV for clarity.

I am astounded how anyone can read the whole gospel of Luke, and the other gospels, ignore the consistent thrust of all of them, take out of context a single verse and purport it to be what it is not. Now why would someone want to do that? The only answer I can think of is that the person wishes to undermine and destroy Christianity.

How about equal attention to the Koran and the Hadiths? Mind you, it'd be hard knowing where to start, given the contradictions (defined away as 'abrogations' - Allah obviously doesn't know his own mind).

I've got a life, and I wish for Pericles, with no malice at all, that he would get himself a life too.

As Jesus said (John 8:31-32) - "If you hold to my teaching ....then you will know the truth, and THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE."
Posted by Glorfindel, Saturday, 30 January 2010 3:41:37 PM
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BIG BROTHER is snooping this web site. BEWARE.
Cool it,guys.
Start saying nice things about Islam.The government is being so generous and humane.They never do anything wrong. So dont you.
They should get 10/10 for their policies.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Saturday, 30 January 2010 8:54:11 PM
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