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Swiss vote to ban minarets : Comments

By Paul Doolan, published 30/11/2009

On Sunday Swiss citizens, against all expectations, voted to ban the building of minarets that decorate mosques.

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Yabby: "Not so rstuart, I am actually Swiss."

Sorry, Yabby. I don't know where I got the idea you were South African.

Yabby: "You are not the brightest of buttons at times :)"

So it seems. :(
Posted by rstuart, Saturday, 12 December 2009 12:04:19 PM
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"One of the architects of the controversial Swiss referendum that resulted in a ban on the construction of minarets has a Turkish heritage, daily Milliyet reported on Wednesday. Born in the Aegean province of Izmir to a Turkish father and a Swiss mother, Soli Pardos family moved to Switzerland when he was 5 years old, the daily said."
"Regarding the referendum, he said: We do not believe that the minarets are linked to worship because no calls to prayer are made from the minarets. We are not against building mosques but against 5- to 6-meter-tall minarets."

http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.XAM18094.html

A Turk who has become an Islamophobic Swiss!
Posted by HermanYutic, Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:42:46 PM
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The fact that Herman and one or two others are prepared to say 'this or that' about the Prophet, about the teachings of Islam and even about my own character, while acknowledging they have not read serious scholarship and have no desire to do so proves one point: for them the ends justify the means(an accusation laid against the Prophet when I presented the Charter of Privileges to Christians http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html ).

For those who want to scrutinise the real teachings of Islam, can take it from the greatest of Islamic scholars Al-Gazzali (1058-1111 AD) and his work "The Revival of the Religious Sciences". Samples are available online from here: http://www.ghazali.org/site/ihya.htm

"The Revival of the Religions Sciences widely regarded as the greatest work of Muslim spirituality, and has, for centuries, been the most read work after the Quran in the Muslim world.
The Revival of the Religious Sciences is divided into four parts each containing ten chapters. The first part deals with knowledge and the requirements of faith—ritual purity, prayer, charity, fasting, pilgrimage, recitation of the Qur'an, etc.; part two concentrates mostly on people and society—the manners relating to eating, marriage, earning a living, friendship, etc.; parts three and four are dedicated to the inner life of the soul and discuss first the vices that people must overcome in themselves and then the virtues that they must strive to achieve. Below are details of the books contents, translations, mainly in English and a link to the original Arabic here for the first time on the internet."

cont...
Posted by grateful, Sunday, 13 December 2009 5:04:57 AM
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grateful,

Former Muslims United:
http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/
is a useful resource for those Muslims who wish to break the shackles of their brainwashing.

Islam Watch:
http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/
is a group of apostates who share their stories on Islam.

The Religion of Peace:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
monitors the incidence of Islamic violence, murder and mayhem around the globe on a daily basis.

Jihad Watch:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
monitors the global Islamic threat.

Polital Islam:
http://www.politicalislam.com/
educates on the political goals of Islam.

What would Mohammed do:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm
gives an insight into the character of the Holy Prophet (F.H.)

the Investigative Project on Terrorism:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/
is "the world's most comprehensive data center on radical Islamic terrorist groups"

salami,

Herman
Posted by HermanYutic, Sunday, 13 December 2009 6:27:47 PM
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grateful,

All significant aspects of Islam that have been examined and debated are available in ‘islam-watch’. Islamic society is kept back from progress, laid-back and war-like because people like Ghazali.

ex-Muslim Syed Kamran Mirza wrote,

“another of Ghazali’s major work was: Ihya al-Ulum al-Din (The revival of religious sciences) was widely regarded as the greatest work of Muslim spirituality, and has, for centuries, been the most read work after the Qur’ān in the Muslim world. In this book Imam Ghazali rejuvenated Islamic dogmas (full of ridiculous hadiths with untold superstitions and absurdities) only to push back Muslim societies deep into the darkness of Islamic radicalism. He mastered philosophy and then criticized it in order to Islamicize it. Philosophy declined in the Sunni world after al-Ghazali, and his criticism of philosophers (Islamic luminaries who followed Aristotle, Pluto, Socrates etc) certainly accelerated this decline.”

The many scientists that lived during “Islam Golden’s Age” weren’t even Muslims.

"For example Al-Razi wrote three books dealing with religion: (1) The Prophet's Fraudulent Tricks, (2) The Stratagems of Those Who Claim to Be Prophets."

part 1/2
Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:34:13 PM
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Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (865-925): was a Persian physician, philosopher, and scholar. According to al-Biruni he was born in Rayy, Iran the year 865 AD and died there in 925 AD.

On Religion: Al-Razi wrote three books dealing with religion: (1) The Prophet's Fraudulent Tricks, (2) The Stratagems of Those Who Claim to Be Prophets.

He offered harsh criticism concerning religions, in particular those religions that claim to have been revealed by prophetic experiences.

About Prophets al-Razi wrote:

“The prophets—these billy goats with long beard, (as Ar Razi disdainfully describes them)—cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. These billy goats pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the "words of the master."

“If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed. Al-name of so-and-so..”

The Nostalgia of Islamic Golden Age

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/Nostalgia-of-Islamic-Golden-Age.htm

part 2/2
Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:39:05 PM
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