Pericles,

“Only someone so overburdened with fear of another's religion would spend their lives attacking shadows in the way that (Philip Tang) do(es).”
Fear of Islam causes Philip Tang to spend his life attacking shadows.

“The same fear, one has to assume, that led to the mindless massacre at Srebrenica.”
Fear of Islam, Pericles assumes, "led to the mindless massacre at Srebrenica”.

”Since there was nothing to fear from the individuals themselves, it is obvious that the soldiers' only motivation was a fear of their religion.”
Fear of Islam was the only motivation behind “the mindless massacre at Srebrenica”.

”And you are continuing their good works.”
Philip Tang’s "attacking shadows" is equivalent to a Serb slitting an infant’s throat in front of its mother and then laughing, all due to Fear of Islam.

The mind boggles, Pericles.
I fear that you are serious,
but how is that possible?

Philip Tang is continuing the “good works” of people who slit an infant’s throat in Srebrenica,
by posting comments critical of Islam on this forum?

And the damning evidence linking these morally equivalent crimes?
Fear of Islam!

But wait,
Fear of Islam...
Isn’t that the same as...Islamophobia?

Now it’s starting to make sense.
Philip Tang’s fear of Islam makes him an Islamophobe,
which is morally equivalent to slitting an infant’s throat in front of it’s mother.

And here was me thinking for a moment that you’d gone off the rails,
when all the time you were merely being consistent.

Oh dear,

The topic of this thread is changing to which superstition is the more frightful, Christianity or Islam.

It's a hard call.

On the other hand I know which one is the funnier.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ExMuslimUK#p/u/6/JSfQrMvuGf0

Islam wins hands down.

Here is my all time favourite hadith

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 6 :: Hadith 301

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/001.006.301.html

Monty Python eat you heart out. Life of Brian was a nice try but it doesn't match this.

The Prophet said: "None of you has achieved faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself"

According to the commentary of Imam Al Nawawi (13th century scholar and a majot source of ISlamic teachings today as in the past): " "brother" should be interpreted as universal brotherhood, which includes Muslims and non-Muslims", while " "love" here refers to the desire for good and benefit to come to others."

Al-Nawawi goes on:

"For human nature causes people to desire harm to befall their enemies and to discriminate against those who are unlike them (in creed, colour, or character). But men must oppose their nature and pray for their brothers and desire for others what they desire for themselves."

"Moreover, whenever a man does not desire good for his brother, it is from envy. And envy is a rejection of God's apportionment in the world. Thus one is opposing how God meted out sustenance in concord with His wisdom. Therefore, one must oppose his own ego's desires and seek treatment from this desease with the healing force of acceptance of the divine decree and prayer on behalf of one's enemies in a way that suppresses the ego."

source:"Purification of the Heart: signs, symptoms, and cures of the spiritual diseaeses of the heart"

In addition, one could add that good thoughts will manifest themselves in good actions which allows one to draw closer to God, while bad thoughts will manifest themselves in bad actions which will cause one to move away from God.

Is there any disagreement on this point?

salaams

You're right, rstuart, by arguing with these fanatics, I am becoming part of the problem.

>>However they would not still be here, spewing this bile forth if you were not giving them something to bounce off.<<

It also causes some weird side-effects:

TheMissus takes me to task for being anti-christian, of all things...

>>Pericles, What has that got to do with this talkboard? You are anti-christian so pull out an example to prove your claim so why can't others do likewise? Are you suggesting it is ok to be anti one religion but not another?<<

This is of course exactly the opposite of the point I was making - that Christians shouldn't bang on about the evils of Islam without recognizing that equally nasty things could be said about them.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:3-5

If only these people read their Bible.

But as a final parting wave (byeee) I'd like to take serious issue with one of TheMissus' throwaway lines:

>>Words never killed anyone by the way<<

That's a bit like saying "people don't kill, it's the guns"

Words have been employed throughout history to kill people.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they have been the direct cause of every single war. Ever.

grateful,

You are no longer discussing, you are proselytising.
But that's okay, for Islamic proselytising is not forbidden in Western countries in the way that Christian proselytising is haram in Islamic countries.
Wouldn't it be nice if Islam would reciprocate?
Unfortunately, sharia law doesn't allow it.

Is there any disagreement on your point?

Your claim that Al Nawawi interprets "brother" as universal brotherhood would only be true in a universe where everyone is Islamic.
The eternal and immutable Holy Koran, which is a perfect copy of the original which Allah keeps in his celestial library (notwithstanding Mohammed's revelatory abrogations), clearly states:

* Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
* Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
* Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
* Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
* Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
* Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
* Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
* Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).

Not much universal brotherhood there, I'm afraid.

Do you put the writings of Al Nawawi above the Koran?
Are you saying that the Koran is not perfect for all time?
Those are heretical suggestions and I shouldn't have to warn you what the Islamic penalty is for heresy.

Who are you going to believe grateful?
A 13th century desert dweller or
a 7th century desert dweller?

BTW
When you quoted Al Nawawi you left out a part so I've inserted it at the end on your behalf:
"For human nature causes people to desire harm to befall their enemies and to discriminate against those who are unlike them (in creed, colour, character or sexual orientation).

I'm sure that's what Al Nawawi and the Holy Prophet (F.H.) would have meant to include.

Pericles
Islam’s Useful Idiots have politicised this religion attaching themselves so unethically any anti-western theme regardless of idealism so there is a very strong element of politics. There is ample evidence there is political support from non Muslims so the requests for censorship need to be viewed as political.
Secondly this website should have administrators that monitor for hate speech and should not be the business of politically motivated members who self appoint as watchdogs.

If you have a problem with the moderation why not contact the admin staff? Are they allowing illegal content? I see many members here stalk other members and spit there venom at people, not ideas or thoughts. How immature. My personal opinion is by suggesting another member is as guilty of a massacre as those that committed is the epitome of hate speech..so hardly qualified to claim moral superiority are you.? Why would anyone respect your request when you are so vile with words yourself?

Plus if you are against words that incite hate you would be calling for the banning of the Koran. However your motivation is political and not based on personal ethics or ideology.

If you do not like content, turn the page, go to a self serving site. Why annoy people with these judgements? You are not the god of me nor are you running this site.