grateful,
Mohammed's Meccan revelations reflect his subordinate political position
(earlier, tolerant Mohammed - nice verses).
After attaining power and authority in Medina he became increasingly bellicose
(later, intolerant Mohammed - nasty verses).
The inoffensive parts (nice verses) of the Koran are abrogated by the later parts (nasty verses):
"Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten,
We bring a better one or similar to it.
Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?" Koran 2:106
(nasty verses trump nice verses).
Mohammed received this revelation from Allah after some of his followers became skeptical
due to the increasing number of contradictions in his revelations.
Because the Koran is not assembled in chronological order the numerical sequence of the Suras
cannot reliably indicate which verse abrogates a contradictory one.
The upshot is that the (nasty) verses below abrogate your (nice) quotes:

* Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
* Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
* Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
* Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
* Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
* Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
* Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
* Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
* The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or
crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).

* If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
* No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).

salami,
Herman

It is sad to see that Pericles has been cowed by the Islamists through terrorism into submission. He is fearful for his life, and fear has clouded his thinking rationally. He is even afraid to look at the mounting evidence all over the world that where Islam prevails, there is chaos, mayhem, mass killings, rape, piracy, etc.

The Islamists through bribes, violence and terrorism hope to silence any debate or criticism of the ideology of Islam. The mainstream media in the West, India and many other countries has been misleading the public that Islam is a “religion of peace”. It is a blatant lie.

Thankfully many non-Muslims and non-Islamists now know what Islam really stands for. Let's hope they will vote out those political parties that are sympathetic to this evil ideology.

I see no reason why the religion should be defended. Why? Even the poster boy for western liberal muslims Tariq Ramadan is a misogynist and homophobic. The more Voltaires of Islam the better imo. I agree that those non-muslims that do defend it are the true Islamaphobes, scaredy cats that do not care for women.

I see that your commitment to a "battle of ideas" didn't last, eh Philip Tang?

>>It is sad to see that Pericles has been cowed by the Islamists through terrorism into submission. He is fearful for his life, and fear has clouded his thinking rationally. He is even afraid to look at the mounting evidence all over the world that where Islam prevails, there is chaos, mayhem, mass killings, rape, piracy, etc.<<

That's classic transference.

Only someone so overburdened with fear of another's religion would spend their lives attacking shadows in the way that you do.

The same fear, one has to assume, that led to the mindless massacre at Srebrenica - not a pitched battle between armed forces, you will note, but a full-scale slaughter of unarmed civilians.

"...a Serb told a mother to make her child stop crying, and when it continued to cry he took it and slit its throat, after which he laughed..." Der Spiegel, June 5, 2007

" Two [Serb soldiers] took her legs and raised them up in the air, while the third began raping her. Four of them were taking turns on her." The Independent (London), July 18, 1995.

"The [video evidence] shows an orthodox priest blessing several soldiers. Later these soldiers are shown with tied up captives, dressed in civilian clothing and visibly physically abused; they were later identified as four minors as young as 16 and two men in their early twenties"

http://www.domovina.net/tribunal/ictytv/050601_milosevic_eng.ram

Those were Christians, Philip Tang.

Since there was nothing to fear from the individuals themselves, it is obvious that the soldiers' only motivation was a fear of their religion.

And you are continuing their good works.

You must be immensely proud of yourself.

Pericles, What has that got to do with this talkboard? You are anti-christian so pull out an example to prove your claim so why can't others do likewise? Are you suggesting it is ok to be anti one religion but not another? Would it be ok then to suggest 911 is due to people like you that are pro-Islam? Silly response all round. Plus as they claim the situation prior to the massacre was due to atrocities committed against Christians only underlines the two do not mix so why push it?

Tit for tat game continued. Warning graphic content, may cause offence or upset.
http://tinyurl.com/yhwl6lg

Words never killed anyone by the way. So where is the harm? The Cronulla race riots were a reaction to suppression of the truth of race hate crimes committed against non-muslims and lack of justice. The government failed the people so anarchy ensued. It is best to talk it out. I for one think if we suppress hate speech against Islam then the Koran should be banned, just one long hate speech is it not. To suppress one is to empower the other.

TheMissus: "Warning graphic content, may cause offence or upset."

I love your impassioned defence of free speech. I agree.

And I would not worry too much about that link either. It would have to be R18+ rated content. Now we know the government plans to make the mandatory filter law, once it is place it will probably be banned.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/15/2772467.htm

Pericles,

I agree with you too - every word you say. However they would not still be here, spewing this bile forth if you were not giving them something to bounce off. Well you, stevenlmeyer and greateful.