Houellebecq <GBH is used recreationally, and Brimble asked for the drug according to some witnesses>

It seems strange to me that people would want to use GBH to put themselves to sleep for recreational purposes, miss the fun wouldn’t they? No, this is a drug that renders people unconscious or nearly unconscious. These men took it on board that ship for a reason.

Brimble asked for the drug according to some witnesses. Who were these fine upstanding witnesses? Why two of the other perpetrators that ‘s who. They’ve had two years to think that story up. If you were in their shoes facing a rape,murder trial (and it should be classed as murder in my book) what would your line of defence be?

<I seem to remember a story of one of the guys throwing her off him in disgust when he awoke with her on top attempting sex.>
He didn’t say she was attempting sex , he just said she had rolled on top of him while he was asleep, probably because she was unconscious or already dead she would hardly be awake wanting sex after the amount of date rape drug she was given.

Are you seriously, saying this bloke had time enough to fall into a drunken sleep for god knows how long and Missus Brimble is still conscious and trying to have sex with him after being given enough of a stupefying drug to kill her?

It makes me sick to see these men walking around free.

(For the record I did mean Matthew Johns) And I stand by my assessment of what happened in that case too.

sharkfin:"It seems strange to me that people would want to use GBH to put themselves to sleep for recreational purposes, miss the fun wouldn’t they? No, this is a drug that renders people unconscious or nearly unconscious. These men took it on board that ship for a reason."

Had a lot to do with GBH have you? Just to clear up your confusion, it's actually GHB and wikipaedia has a decent entry on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid

I quote:"GHB is a CNS depressant used as an intoxicant. It has many street names, including "Liquid Ecstasy", "Liquid X", and "Liquid G", as well as "Fantasy" and the reordered initialism GBH. At recreational doses, GHB can cause a state of euphoria, increased enjoyment of movement and music, increased libido, increased sociability and intoxication"

Yes, I have tried it, it's not bad, but it's nasty with a lot of alcohol. In my experience there is little warning of extreme drowsiness once the right amount of alcohol has been added to the system. Personally, I'd reckon sex with someone in that state would be nearly as boring an experience as with pynchme.

As Houellebecq said, there is strong evidence she ingested it willingly and that she was an active participant, even an instigator of much of the sexual shenanigans.

While your concern for the late MRS BRIMBLE is touching, it's misplaced, I suspect.

pontificator,

'Supplying GHB without a prescription is illegal.'
Indeed it is. As is taping shows off the TV. Both are a long way from murder.

'You really don't have any standards do you.'
I have standards, just different and patently superior 'standards' to yours.

anti,

Thanks for putting the missus straight. I always called it GBH as in Grievous Bodily Harm:-)

I often wonder if a bloke had bought some drugs of a young girl after pestering her for them, gone back to the girls room with the girls friends, shagged a couple of them and passed out and wound up not waking up, whether the general community reaction would be.. meh, stupid guy, at least he went out with a bang though.

I've bought drugs from girls at clubs, and I'm sure if I took too much or drank too much at the same time, and wound up dead, nobody would be looking at these girls as being responsible. It'd be my own stupid fault.

Houellebecq:

Yes men can be vulnerable, victimized and raped, in the vast majority of cases, by other men. What point are you trying to make?

Sharkfin: I am entirely in agreement with you on both cases.

It makes me sick too to see how the system is so entirely loaded against truth and justice. There were eight men; not one spine amongst them. Not one who has done anything but treat poor Ms. Brimble like she was garbage.

Antiseptic and sidekick Houellebecq:

<" Tracey Ann Muscat today became the second witness to tell the court that she heard a woman's voice saying "I'm not like that" the night before Mrs Brimble's body was found. "I heard her saying 'I'm not like that, I'm not like that,' " Ms Muscat said.">

http://www.cruisebruise.com/Dianne_Brimble.html

Antiseptic: Is your hatred of women so profound that you close your mind to facts ?

Btw: The drug is referred to as both GBH and GHB (as pointed out by Houellebecq).... but then being as familiar with drugs as you are I am sure you already knew that:

http://www.cruisebruise.com/Fantasy_GBH_Gamma_Hydroxy_Butyrate.html

Antiseptic-
If these men were regular users of this as a recreational drug as you say then you think they would be aware of the fact that it is only safe when used in quite small amounts and not taken with too much alcohol. How come they allowed her to consume such a lethal dose. How come she is dead and they aren’t?

I read some of the media reports on the trial, they said they were in the cabin with her when she was offered the drug and told that it would enhance her enjoyment of the sexual experience. If that is so then they gave her the drug right there on the spot so they must have know the quantity unlike your scenario where you bought the quantity yourself and then decided how much to take. Keep in mind that this is their version of events as she is not here to dispute what they say.

<Houellebecq said there is strong evidence she ingested it willing>

Once again reading the media report on the trial, the so called strong evidence didn’t come from any outside sources only two of the other men who were in the room when Mrs. Brimble died. I wouldn’t call that strong evidence but a desperate attempt to blame Mrs. Brimble’s death on her to save their own necks.

Don’t forget originally they said they discussed throwing her body overboard but decided it was too risky and they would be seen. Again trying to save their own necks, why? if it was all just an agreed love-in, surely they wouldn’t have considered such desperate measures if they weren’t scared out of their wits at discovery of a foul deed.
Again I ask, how come if they took the drug too , and they were the ones (according to them)that offered it to her in their cabin, presumably they would have poured her drink and handed it to her with the drug in it, she wound up dead and they didn’t. .............

sharkfin:"How come they allowed her to consume such a lethal dose"

The actual cause of death has not been established as far as I can tell, but is most likely asphyxiation due to ingesting vomit or because of an obstructed airway due to the position she was lying in. That happened when she was on her own in the cabin. The High Court has just ruled that publicans are not responsible for the well-being of their inebriated customers (at least, not the male ones, there hasn't been a test case involving a woman). Therefore, logically, these men cannot be held responsible for the actions of Mrs Brimble, especially after they all left the cabin and no one forced her to either take the GHB or drink the alcohol by all accounts.

The point, of course, regardless of the post-event panicking of some of the people involved (entirely reasonably, given the fact they had illegal drugs), is that there is always some risk in taking psychoactive substances, especially with people you don't know.

Let me ask you this, would you go off drinking and taking drugs with a bunch of loose cannons like these men are alleged to have been? It's sad that she died, but she made bad choices and such is life.

I recommend the wikipaedia page on the stuff; I suspect you'd learn a lot you don't want to think about.

pynchme:"The drug is referred to as both GBH and GHB"

Well done you! Who said you can't teach an old dog?

pynchme:"a woman's voice saying "I'm not like that""

"No, don't, stop. No, don't stop! Yes!"

Of course, "no means no" - except when it obviously doesn't...