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Hypocrisy and the war in Gaza : Comments
By Bren Carlill, published 9/1/2009For eight years Israeli cities were brutalised by Hamas rockets, but the media took notice only when Israel responded.
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Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 15 January 2009 6:16:05 PM
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I marked a student's assignment once, in which the student proposed the only solution to the Arab/Israeli conflict: pack up all the Jews and ship them to Siberia. They want room, well there's plenty of room there. I think, though, that the 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' approach has been tried before when dealing with Jews.
Who's to know what would have happened if Palestine had been partitioned according to the British plan? I reckon there would be no Palestine left - it would have been taken over by one Arab state or another. Israel may have been more successful, or it may have failed altogether. The reality is, despite their best intentions, the Western powers botched it up and now Israel and Palestine have to face the cleanup. I should add that I don't support the Siberia Solution, but the student was adamant. Posted by Otokonoko, Thursday, 15 January 2009 6:24:51 PM
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Get this.
Palestine did not exist until the 1920's. It was part of the Ottoman empire. Even then it did not exist as a separate and independent state. The name Palestine only refers to a geographical area. The inhabitants were mostly Arabs until the mid 19th century.There has been a constant presence of the Jews in the land of Israel. The Jewish people, who originally inhabited the land and lived there for the longest period of time, returned to it from the 1850's onwards and their population grew as the idea of a Jewish homeland took hold. About 40% of the world's Jews now live in Israel. The only reason the majority of Jews were not in Israel was because the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans to form the Jewish diaspora. Now, they are returning to the land of Israel, and I applaud this. I am agnostic, so don't accuse me of religious affiliation. I just think it is time that the Jews had their homeland returned to them, which has belonged to them for thousands of years, well before the Arabs were there. Now, the Arabs are trying again to dispossess the Jews of their land. But they are failing utterly. They should accept that Israel exists, has a right to exist and will continue to exist irrespective of what they think. If they were clever, they would choose co-existence, and thereby share in the fruits of the creative genius of the Jewish people. Unfortunately, they have been captured by the Islamic death cult, which will continue to lead them to disaster. Posted by Froggie, Thursday, 15 January 2009 7:18:39 PM
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So many endless posts about history - what happened and "what would have happened if" (something a real historian never does). Why can't you keep it simple?
People in Israel have a life. They have homes, jobs, families, freedom and everything normal as we are used to in Australia. People in Gaza have no life, because they are hijacked by a murderous cult which has the interest of keeping them poor, hungry, miserable and afraid. The people that have a life just want to live peacefully. The people who do not have any other life entertain themselves by shooting rockets at the people that have a life, wishing they will not have a life either. When the people that have a life ask the people that do not have a life "what do you want, how can we help you?", the only answer they get is "we want to kill you, that's all. If you want to help, allow us to bring in more deadly weapons so we can do it sooner". So - the people that have a life have no choice but to fight back, doing whatever is necessary to stop being fired at. People that have a life are not eager to lose it, so they do their best to avoid casualties. So, Foxy, if someone across the ocean comes and offers them more sophisticated weapons that reduce the number of casualties, then of course they say "Yes, thank you". And that's a summary of the whole story, which goes on for nearly 100 years. Yes, Otokonoko, I acknowledge that there are some Jews with the land-virus, but they are a minority, they do not represent Israel. As far as I am concerned you can go ahead and send them to Syberia, but do remember that overall Israel is just a normal country with normal people, don't be deluded that removing them will satisfy Islamic appetite: there will come a time when they say "oh, those land-hungry Australians, send them off to Syberia". Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 15 January 2009 8:10:57 PM
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Yuytsyu says
"People in Gaza have no life, because they are hijacked by a murderous cult which has the interest of keeping them poor, hungry, miserable and afraid." This is the sort of simpleminded tripe I was expected to believe about Soviet Union, back in the late 1950's. Then, of course, it was the murderous Russians, represented by the mad, shoe-pounding Nikita Kruschev, screaming "We will bury you!" at horrified American diplomats. I don't remember if it was televised. I do remember that my social science teacher just couldn't understand why everyone didn't try to leave Russia, and live in a free country. Yuyutsu, I don't know where you get these wierd explanations about Gazans and Hamas. Do you make them up, or do you read them? Do you live anywhere near Gaza? Here is link to an article in a moderate and reasonably impartial US newspaper which might offer you an overview of the larger geopolitical landscape: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0112/p09s01-coop.html The first paragraph says much. The rest of the article is well worth anyone's time, unless their mind is set in concrete. "An inside story of how the US magnified Palestinian suffering By Norman H. Olsen and Matthew N. Olsen from the January 12, 2009 edition Christian Science Monitor "Cherryfield, Maine; and Washington - A million and a half Palestinians are learning the hard way that democracy isn't so good if you vote the wrong way. In 2006, they elected Hamas when the US and Israel wanted them to support the more-moderate Fatah. As a result, having long ago lost their homes and property, Gazans have endured three years of embargo, crippling shortages of food and basic necessities, and total economic collapse." Do read on. Posted by Sir Vivor, Thursday, 15 January 2009 9:10:37 PM
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Gday Bush bread ; you have my attention , but you must know what you mentioned about the Arab Genocide is but Fiction ; and must sound awfully familiar- indeed if it was the case , then do you really think it would not be the case , and it had failed quite dismally . Simply put – absolute convolute bovine excrement. and a non event.
And a point you make as a historian, you say Genocide of the Arabs; well that by default is an admission that a greater Genocide had taken place for there to be Arabs- Saudi Arabia is the home of the Arab? So I must prompt the question of when the word Arab is used is it in Context of Race Demography or Ideological description of antitheses Culture? ie , Islam? And the automatic denial of Assyrian’s- Egyptians- Iranians – Sumerians – Talmud- Chaldean etc – they never existed before Arab Culture ? Or just another Historical oversight? The Ottoman Empire was not Arab, although they adopted the Arab Antitheses Culture- Sacking of Constantinople ring a bell – Anatolia – aka now Turkey. They were Hittites at some point in history, were they not? Look for The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem , his allegiances , and of course , how many people know that ; Yasser Arafat (Tiger Arafat) was the Grand Mufti’s Nephew? Why do people not know this? , It was the Secret services of Britain that recruited Local Moslem groups in Palestine and elsewhere to attack the newly formed Israel, after the surrender of Germany, this group you may now realise was the genesis of Al Qaida, put simply, when the political conflict became too heated, M I 5 disbanded funding, and On sold it to the newly forming CIA, Who in turn had NO idea of what the British had just done or what it was they just inherited. , Thanks to Post Modernism and Socialism in definition, is The intellectual equivalent of the Nabowla virus applied to the human consciousness and Psychology ;, that is the attack points. Posted by All-, Friday, 16 January 2009 8:04:01 AM
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morgues fill beyond capacity... it doesn't
take extraordinary analytical skills to
appreciate that when the White House
blames what's currently happening on
"terrorists" in Gaza, and when moderate
Arab states adopt an accomodationist position
pleasing the US and Israel, a profound Arab/Islamic
radicalization grows.
New 'terrorists' are being born as innocents in
Gaza are getting ripped to death by American-made
Hellfire missiles, dispatched toward fleshy targets
by Israeli pilots.
This counter-productive outcome of Israel's
action makes one suspect that there must be
other motives at play here judged by Tel Aviv
to be worth the risk.
However it's a high price to pay, and should
be universally condemned in the strongest
possible terms, and stopped at once.