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Hypocrisy and the war in Gaza : Comments

By Bren Carlill, published 9/1/2009

For eight years Israeli cities were brutalised by Hamas rockets, but the media took notice only when Israel responded.

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All,

re:
"Now I know that you know what white Phosphorous is; it is a canister with a jelly substance < Non flammable – and it is a pure and simple Anti personnel munitions."

You are mistaken.

I share public knowledge, clearly explained on Wikipedia and other sites, repeatedly televised and discussed in unmistakeable terms. For an undisputed photo of WP bombardment, see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/21/gaza-phosphorus-shells

And you are foolish to state (or assume) that you know what I know.

I readily admit that I do not know what you know, because I am not the sort of smug, patronising buffoon who repeatedly misinterprets others information and ignores their questions.

As for your question, yes, I have been aware of Noam Chomsky's Jewish background. I do not know how devout he may be, or whether his jewishness is as of much interest to him as it would have been to Reinhard Heydrich, whose assassination in 1942 precipitated the atrocities at Lidice.

Three questions for you:
(1) What does Noam Chomsky's religion have to do with his comments, in
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/20316?

(2-3) (with context, from my earlier post of Fri 23 January 7:14 AM)
" "According to army sources the [IDF]brigade fired up to 20 phosphorus shells in a heavily built-up area around the Gaza township of Beit Lahiya, one of the worst hit areas of Gaza."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/21/gaza-phosphorus-shells

If there is a hoax involving WP, it involves no lack of evidence of its use. Stupid, cruel villagers being allowed to masquerade as IDF soldiers, through the ignorance or complicity of their superiors, now there is the seed of a hoax, grown and blossomed into grotesque proportions.

[Question 2] How am I to distinguish these IDF soldiers from others? From those who burned and murdered in Lidice, or carpet-bombed over Guernica, or from Hamas soldiers doing their rocket science on Israeli civilians?

[Question 3] Am I supposed to distinguish them [IDF soldiers guilty of war crimes] by the righteousness of their cause?"
Posted by Sir Vivor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 7:40:56 AM
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I have to concede Sir Vivor , that it was very awfully presumptuous of me to assume that I have come to realise the whole some of your knowledge; I had not realised I was looking at a postage stamp size summary.
If your only reference to the sum total of your contribution is Public Information supplied by Google and, or Wiki, Then that Sir Vivor, is a testimonial to the intellectual buffoonery; and the indoctrinated ignorance of your intellectual programmers –I do not blame you, you are seemingly an end product of the transition of Intellect and reasoned objectivism to primitive whichdoctory, heavily loaded with Sophism and utter Trope.
I cannot argue a point of fact, if that fact does not exist – un like the sophist approach by creating a question based on your answer and a conclusion before the fact is known; - in Dialectic’s Sir Vivor, that is sophism. A post modern short cut and docile laziness.
I suppose we can change it from the fog of war to the White Phosphorous of intelligent debate.
You ought to start a discussion page for yourself about the Chompa, but remember when he was hard at work , the drug sucking hippy freak show of the sixties and seventies are your teachers and lecturers- and their kids ; Good luck sir-viving That onslaught of intellectual deactivation.
Posted by All-, Saturday, 24 January 2009 8:56:28 AM
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All: This discussion is about hypocrisy. It is not about me and you.

I refer you to the UK parliamentary speech below. If you really want a killer last word, try staying on topic.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090115/debtext/90115-0013.htm

Sir Gerald Kaufman (Manchester, Gorton) (Lab): I was brought up as an orthodox Jew and a Zionist. On a shelf in our kitchen, there was a tin box for the Jewish National Fund, into which we put coins to help the pioneers building a Jewish presence in Palestine.

(snip)

My parents came to Britain as refugees from Poland. Most of their families were subsequently murdered by the Nazis in the holocaust. My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town of Staszow. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed.

My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The current Israeli Government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians. The implication is that Jewish lives are precious, but the lives of Palestinians do not count.

(snip)

The time will come, not so long from now, when they will outnumber the Jewish population in Israel.

It is time for our Government to make clear to the Israeli Government that their conduct and policies are unacceptable, and to impose a total arms ban on Israel. It is time for peace, but real peace, not the solution by conquest which is the Israelis’ real goal but which it is impossible for them to achieve. They are not simply war criminals; they are fools.
Posted by Sir Vivor, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 8:49:51 AM
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I understand that point Survivor- the Guilt of the Holocaust; - and it is not ours to bare- and Your parents migrated from Poland ; then you would also know the holocaust , many countless millions attributed to Communism in Poland and Ukraine etc ; and it was far more than 6 million – try conservatively 25 million .

I do not consider Israel guilt mongering for what had happened in WW2 ; There are some , and not many that would use that to gain advantage , as there is others who would use it to incite hatred at any level – pathological hatred ;- and as you know already the misery it caused to you and your family , and the countless millions of others – The weapon of socialism ; Whether it be NAZI Socialism or Communism in any form - they are the same Ideology and narcissistic personas - period.

That is why it is of the utmost importance to identify the charter of, and those that convey information (Oxymoron in most instances).

It is an absolute lie for anyone to suggest Israel is about terminating any one, and I would be certain that you know and realise that the Protocols of The elders of Zion are a fraudulent document.

There are many publications in the early part of the century that have investigated and reported of its origins- ; I am on Satellite, not my mainframe, so I do not have the links to the publication reproductions here.

Anyway, always be weary of Publications of most things after the late 1950 ‘is; - is the best advice,
And as best as anyone can; - understand the new Anti-Semitism and its origins , Your parents may well know the answer ,but it does not fit the puzzle; - The puzzle was scrambled deliberately- and that means people need to work harder.
Posted by All-, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 1:06:23 PM
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