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Israel - created by terrorism : Comments

By Anne Alexander and John Rose, published 30/5/2008

The state of Israel was founded 60 years ago out of a monstrous crime - the expulsion of nearly a million Palestinians from their homes.

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Thomas Friedman's apt quote "Criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic and saying so is vile. But singling out Israel for approbrium and international sanction, out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East, is anti-Semitic and not saying so is dishonest" applies to this article.

This quote appears in the Barry Cohen posting in this edition of Online Opinion "Some of my Best Friends are Anti-Semitic". Cohen's article clearly deals with intellectually dishonest people such as the authors of this one, people who clearly have an agenda, and an anti-semitic one at that (if one accepts what Friedman says - and I do).

The article has segments of partial truth but taken out of context. It distorts what happened but the authors must be too ideologically driven to consider the consequences of distorting the facts so badly - patent distortions destroy credibility. It also paints Israel (the Jews) as people who did nothing but evil against the innocent Arabs/Palestinians. They only fought after they were attacked by the Israelis, according to Alexander and Rose.

Certainly Israel was created in act which created injustice for the Palestinians. Certainly Israel has done some stupid and illegal things - some of them quite horrendous but for God's sake, the Palestinians and their Arab nation mates have acted out of bad motives and are guilty of just as many, if not more, stupid and illegal things - and even barbaric actions against captured Jews.

Patently intellectually dishonest articles such as this one only ensure that the Palestinian problem becomes more intractable because they encourage the victims to hold out for the Holocaust solution (driving the Jews into the sea - it has not gone away but merely manifests itself in the refusal to accept that Israel has a right to exist) and not seek other solutions that might come about by a bit of racheting down by both sides. So long as the Holocaust solution looms Israel will become more and more intactable - that, after all was the immediate cause of the post war move to create Israel.
Posted by Plaza-Toro, Friday, 30 May 2008 3:44:18 PM
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The term Semite means ;

a-member-of any of-various ancient-and-modern peoples-originating-in southwestern Asia,

including-Akkadians,-Canaanites,-Phoenicians,-Hebrews, Arabs, and-Ethiopian-Semites.

PLease-observe semite-INCLUDES-arabs ,anti-semitism INCLUDES attacking arabs ,or ridiculing arab dress ,customs , beliefs etc ,

It-is-important that we know the meaning ,to-understand the-words describing the-problem?

If antisemitism is-being-practiced that-is-bad ,just-like any-other bias based on sex-or-belief or-physical , mental , cultural,or biased oppression based-on dominating other's differences that-results-in-futile-and-ongoing-war's.

it-can honestly be-said what-is-going-on
in-the prison-camp-ghetto that-is gaza is collateral [punitive-punishment on a whole-race of semites by anti-semites]

[it-is reported that we-are-being silent about racist-oppression worse than south-africa [this comes-from a former south-african priest now-visiting this human-disaster-zone]

while the-press is hardly informing us-of the-situation , the-reports are horrendous ,

all-life is-sacred BECAUSE only-god can-give us-our lives to live

but the-attrocities are-so extensive
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-folder.html

We all know about the 6 million jews genocided in the gas chambers of the natzies , but-the genocide by the bolchovics [russian-jews ] of 10 million christians dosnt-rate a memntion

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-folder.htm

Time to awake from-this eternal unending nightmare

GIVE BACK TO GOD ,

revealing the same mercy he-has given in letting this-insanity go-on [for as long as it has ,

wake up my brothers [ALL}.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/bassem_naeem/2008/05/hamas_condemns_the_holocaust.html

have posted comments but it hasnt gotten through as yet

for those thinking [ignoring that hammas has-changed its supposed vieuw of the holocaust ]

[please note no post from any palesteins has rebutted it]

also
please note [and feel free to explain-or-defend]
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/05/11/video-photos-israeli-loot-girls-orphanage/
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m43878&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/08/8810/

or what about the-active-suppression-by-wikipedia ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1934857/Israeli-battles-rage-on-Wikipedia.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/is-google-ethnic-cleansing-the-internet/

so what you think god isnt watching?

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7Vhf2CVJRDd7wyczbEXDt54uG940dE6KmWwcfyZwkLeCe6fsBLkKC5dzaigdSEbqB2YtJHyerJjeSBkPrwFkIxR4z8YSAZae2VfrkWsIqqEY%3d

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=29101
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/open-letter-to-the-editors-and-writers-of-the-alternative-media/
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m43817&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050801521.html
http://notimetocelebrate.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/san-francisco-20-jews-arrested-in-protest-of-60th-anniversary-event/
ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106770.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106770.html
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJ32n2W1dfYaQM0GHKotyQ8cJG7w

how is it that gods-people would like to be remembered?

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/despite-it-all-hope-is-still-alive-in-gaza/

those seeking to kill [or genocide others arnt serving the god of life

We have all been decieved by the great deciever
stop and think

god gives dust life
satan seeks to turn all life back to dust

there is time to think

check out this vidio
''IF I WAS AN ERROR-IST"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FFB-R_U8RM

please use the brains god gave you
to stop and think
ARE YOU SERVING THE LIFE GIVER

{OR THE LIFE TAKER]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 30 May 2008 6:18:32 PM
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If Israel by means of terrorism and expulsion of the Palestinians built an outpost of civilization within sixty years whilst fighting three wars and hundreds of skirmishes with its Arab myrmidons who were determined to wipe it off the earth, can you imagine, if this is the implication of the authors' article, that Palestinian Hamas-Hezbollah-al Qaeda terrorism, with its active suicidal votaries chasing the seventy-two virgins, could also build a civilized state on the burning carcasses of Israelis?

http://daringoutlook.blogspot.com
Posted by Themistocles, Friday, 30 May 2008 6:54:19 PM
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When trying to make sense of the battle in the Middle East between the Palestinians and the Jews I think it is fruitful to compare that struggle with what happened in Germany after World War 2. In Germany, there were millions of refugees that had been expelled from territories to the east that had been inhabited by germans for a thousand years. In comparison with the arabs, the germans accepted the situation, re-settled the refugees in West Germany and other countries (including Australia), and, as a result, the camps had gone by 1954. In comparison, despite coming into amounts of money in the 1970's that had previously only been dreamed about, the arabs deliberately let the palestinians rot in the camps, in the hope that they would attack Israel. I consider this to be the primary moral issue. Coupled with the total moral abdication of the palestinian leadership towards the welfare of their people (I would regard the use of people with Downs Syndrome as suicide(?) bombers to be the prime example) their support of the terrorists who have attacked Australians makes them our enemy, and makes Israel our ally in this struggle.
Posted by plerdsus, Friday, 30 May 2008 7:46:55 PM
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Last time I checked my history books, Jews have never stolen anyone's land in all their 4000 year history - despite being the world's most dispersed people due to their land being stolen. In contrast, it is not possible to find any place inhabited by Muslims where there is no terrorism, stealing, massacres and the world's most notorious falsehoods:

Jerusalem is a Hebrew name, and predates both Islam [1400 years old] and the Arab race [2500 years old].

The Jewish temple was NOT a myth, and the Muslims dumped a blue mosque here under full knowledge of their actions - the same was done in India.

Unlike Israel, none of the Arab states have any historical borders, and were created by a whim by the Brits - when oil was discovered.

Moses was not a Muslim - not even by belief: this is a clear lie being fed to Muslim youth.

The exaggerated hatred only affirms a guilt factor: the Arabs do not need another golf cource, and are obsessed that Israel is still *OCCUPYING 12 %* of the land originally allocated her in the Balfour.

Even the name Palestinians is false, and these are the least effected refugees not just in today's world, but also in Geo-History: the Pretend Pals have more options and facilities than any other peoples - but they seem not to be able to take a breath unless the witness for the prosecution is destroyed. I wonder why!

'TO COVER ONE LIE - A 1000 TRUTHS MUST BE COVERED'
Posted by IamJoseph, Friday, 30 May 2008 8:49:41 PM
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Re. "PLease-observe semite-INCLUDES-arabs ,anti-semitism INCLUDES attacking arabs ,or ridiculing arab"

While semite relates to an entire region, Anti-semitism does not relate to Arab muslims - unless they are even jealous of this term, which was exclusively directed at the jews.

Nor can the Arabs be associated with canaanites. The first time this people emerged as an identifiable ethnic race is 2,500 years ago, after Greece conquered Persia. These were gangs which promised protection to the Copts from foreigners invading the region, but ended up stealing Egypt from the inhabitant copts. At this time, many Jews were scattered around the region, following the Babylonian exile, and everything what became Islam was taken from the jews. The arabs never even possessed a writin script, arabic appearing only in 350 CE - so how can they claim any history about Jerusalem or Jews?

The Muslim erected mosques in jerusalem on the destroyed temple site, believing that israel was dead after the Roman destruction: they were worng, and have tried to steal names such as Palestinian, which they hated as they do Zionists today. Now, seeing the original owner returned - they are consumed by hate and guilt, because everything they told their peoples appears to be a lie.

I challenge anyone to evidence any Arabs prior to 2500 years ago, or to evidence that antisemitism ever applied to Muslims!
Posted by IamJoseph, Friday, 30 May 2008 9:11:19 PM
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