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A genuine secular democracy would not be so insecure : Comments

By Keysar Trad, published 9/5/2008

We should be able to present arguments in defence of our faith and also our point of view, even if this is unpopular.

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This one is so funny on so many levels I don't know where to begin

Sahi Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

PRAISE BE TO GOD THE GREAT COMEDIAN IN THE SKY THAT YOU HAVE CAUSED ONE QUARTER OF HUMANITY TO TAKE THIS SORT OF HOLY CLAPTRAP SERIOUSLY.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 9:29:02 AM
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GrahamY: As K Trad is finding it too difficult to follow HIS post, perhaps next time you could limit his rebuttal to 350-word allotments, with no more than 2 posts in any given 24 hour period, without creating a new thread. I see the equal opportunity thingy just flies out the window when it is a Muslim voice. But to what end?

Mr Trad: <<(Dr Winter) goes further to drag several names into this including mine, Hanan Dover, Sheik Shady and others, based on allegations and without initially acknowledging my published rebuttal of these allegations.>>

Ms Winter actually writes:

<<Keysar Trad, her co-speaker at the forum, was reported by gay rights activists present at the talk to have suggested that Australian anti-discrimination laws were not valid for Muslims, who should defy them. Trad has since denied having said this.>>

There's the acknowledgement, right there.

Mr Trad continues on: << She then makes the claim, without any substantiation, that a certain event at which I spoke was organised by a “fundamentalist” student association. This is simply untrue, it is not factual and is not relevant to the debate.>>

Ms Winter writes:

<<Ms Dover was suspended under the University’s Equal Opportunity policy. On June 28, 2002, she had joined Sheikh Hilali’s right-hand man, Keysar Trad, in a talk at UWS’s Bankstown campus, organised by an Islamic fundamentalist student association.>>

Mr Trad’s issue is the fundamentalist tag. And I agree that “fundamentalist” is totally redundant. “Islamic” nails it.

However, with this unique and privileged opportunity to set the record straight, Mr Trad claims that this is not even relevant. We still don't know what was said at that talk (as far as I can see, there WAS a talk, Mr Trad spoke, and the Sheik Hilali connection still stands).

Mr Trad, did you, or did you not, call on Muslims to disobey the laws of Australia (sedition), while at the same time encouraging Muslims to treat homosexuals under sharia (murder)?

Spare us the Hanan Dover and Sheik Shady responses. Please.
Posted by katieO, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 10:40:23 AM
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Well put katieO

But don't expect a response.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 10:53:31 AM
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Dear Emeritus Professor Trad

Are you trying to tell us that the literature being taught in this course is not, er, er, Arabic? We all await your sticking up for our secular democracy by declaring a jihad on the ludicrously titled "Islamic Science" being tuaght at the Griffith Madrasas.

Perhaps Abu Trad will take over the teaching of Arabic Literature and teach only the Classics, including this famous extract taught across the Arab world.

"Oh boo hoo, it was the Jews of Medina! Oh boo hoo, it was the Byzantines! Oh boo hoo, it was the Persians! Oh boo hoo, it was the Mongols! Oh boo hoo, it was the Seljuks! Oh boo hoo, it was the Ossmans! Oh boo hoo, it was the Malmuks! Oh boo hoo it was the French and British! Oh boo hoo it was the Jews! Oh boo hoo, it was the UN! Oh boo hoo it was the Russians! Oh boo hoo, it was the Zionists! Oh boo hoo, it was the Americans! Oh boo hoo, it was the Shia! Oh boo hoo it was Hamas! Oh boo hoo it’s the Persians again! Ohh boo hoo, it’s the Danish! Oh, boo hoo it’s the Dutch, Oh boo hoo, did we mention the Jews! Oh boo hoo, its the Skippies! Oh boo, its the Islamophobes!”

Latest edition update!! "Oh boo hoo, it was the lesbians!"

I’m sure we get the picture.
Posted by John Greenfield, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 11:35:02 AM
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What a surprise! Who would have thought the usual airhead Luvvie Leftists would be allying with Islamofascism? Yeah, huge surprise. NOT! Tragically, there's one born every minute. The Luvvie Left has never encountered an illiberal, authoritarian fascist it hasn't embraced.
Posted by John Greenfield, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 11:47:00 AM
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"Love" has to tell patients 'You have cancer' at times, yours appears to be terminal at this point.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 5:22:14 AM

NASTY. BLOODY NASTY.

What a turd you are! Week after week, month after month of incessant lecturing to others on THEIR 'faults'. As Bushy has indicated,-yet again the greatest hatred and intolerance is coming from the pathetically pious,(ktO also at her best). Sleazefield adding his usual touch of venom. And of course KTrad espousing HIS view.(KT; I don't care HOW this hate is categorized;-it is a killer).

I may as well have nissed into the pind.

At least this writer had the backbone to involve himself in his own thread, and has even offered to talk personally to any of you.

Wassup? No spine? What an opportunity to engage. I can tell you Keysar that if you were in SA, I WOULD meet with you (not that jackass BOZO;-I'm fully aware of my latent trend to violence. I'd like to keep it that way. But I would truly like to find out what makes you religious/cultural-whatever you want to call it;-believers tick).

Where are the lions when you need them?
Posted by Ginx, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 1:14:26 PM
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