Whitty

“I'm sooo sick of hearing about this wonderful world women would have created with no wars.”

Why is that Whitty? Not of course that women have ever had the chance to create such a world, but we’ll ignore that.

Are you saying you’re happy to live with the level of warfare afflicting the planet at the moment and the resultant pain and poverty it’s creating for millions of people?

Or are you saying, no, you’re not happy about it, but that women would have created the same sort of world anyway had they controlled the reins of power?

Or are you as I suspect just having a go at anyone who dares suggest the current (might I say androcentric) model is flawed?

A little evidence, Whitty, to support your whinge would go a long way!

Yabby

“So why did tens of millions of them vote for George Bush, when Karl Rove pushed their emotional buttons about Osama under their beds? Without the women’s vote, George would not be there! I say that as an Obama supporter.”

What a nonsense statement this is. Women make up 50% of the population so of course he wouldn’t be there “without the women’s vote”. He wouldn’t be there without the men’s vote. What does any of this prove?

George Bush being elected had far more to do with the millions of disenfranchised prisoners and the corruption of the Florida vote than it ever did with gender.

Anyway, when I stated that women wouldn't have taken us into Iraq, I wasn't referring to women voters. I was referring to the imagined scenario where women were holding positions of power.

I bet most of the women who did vote for Bush though sure as hell weren't giving him a mandate to invade Iraq.

Obama, hey? Well, Yabby, we agree on one thing!

Fractelle
I think you keep changing your questions.

I do not have a problem with female politicians, and I have recently voted for 6.

However I would not vote for any politician who calls themselves a feminist, and similarly I would not vote for any politician who calls themselves a Marxist, Socialist, Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist etc. The reason for this is none of these have ever shown much interest in democracy (and I can only find the slightest amount of democracy within feminism).

I do not have a problem with women in business. My current business mentor is female and my accountant is female. I have talked to both, and I feel confident that they are not gender prejudiced or feminist.

I do have a problem with International Women’s Day being celebrated in schools and not International Men’s Day as well, as this is obviously gender prejudiced and feminist.

I also have a problem with the Office of Women when there is not an Office of Men, as this is also obviously gender prejudiced and feminist.

I also have a problem with the vilification of men by so many feminists, and I would welcome gender vilification laws to be introduced into the country to help clear up that issue.

I also have a problem with the many biased and distorted statistics released, and I think that there should be a complete review of social science throughout the country, as it is obvious that social science has simply become a part of anti-male feminist propaganda, and is not a science at all.

*What exactly is this law of the jungle*

Danielle, its basically about Darwinian evolution theory, ie survival of the fittest.

*Is this meant to deter or frighten women?*

That depends on their flight of fight response I guess, which would vary.

*The law of the
jungle couldn't be more ferocious or savage than a mother protecting her young.*

Yet the world is full of predators, who make a living by eating those mothers children, despite their protests.

They use stealth, patience, timing, strategic thinking, etc, to grab those kids for
dinner, just when mommy might least expect it or be at her most vulnerable.
Anything goes, the fittest survive, the rest are spat out for lunch.

Now Bronwyn thinks that Murdoch is a hero of mine. He’s not. I simply point out
that he is an example of a very good strategic thinker. His morals, ethics etc, are
a totally different story. But in business its results that count and not many can
go from one newspaper in Adelaide, to build a global media empire and beat Fleet
Street as well as Wall Street at their own game of strategics.

Being a great strategic thinker is perhaps one of the most important qualities that a
CEO needs, to be successful, that’s why I think that men in general are more suited
to the job, but not in all cases.

I actually bought some more Westpac shares on their last low, because I happen to
think that Gail Kelly will be great for Westpac, as she was for St George. Caution
and great people skills are extremely important when running a bank, both of which
she is great at. You don’t want bank CEOs who take huge risks, so IMHO she could
well do better then any of the men.

*I bet most of the women who did vote for Bush though sure as hell weren't giving him a mandate to
invade Iraq.*

Bronwyn, so why did they vote for him again, after he invaded Iraq? Why did Hillary vote for invasion, yet Obama was against it

HRS

Suggest you reread my posts.

But I will move on.

You stated you voted for 6 female politicians.

Please name them.

Thank you.

Fractelle,
I voted at the recent council elections, and my council is run on party lines (unfortunately). I make a policy of never telling anyone who I vote for, and I certainly wouldn’t be giving any politician free publicity by saying their names before they have even started the job.

The author seems to assume that feminists represent women. This is completely debatable. One poll in the US found that only 20% of women would call themselves a feminist, and it is likely to be the same here.

I can’t see much evidence to suggest that feminists are representing men, so feminists may only be representing 10% of the population, or feminists are simply representing feminists.

Yabby,

Your apotheosis of the male - the hunter - the law of the jungle ... survival of the fittest”

“They use stealth, patience, timing, strategic thinking ... the fittest survive, the rest are spat out for lunch”

Your words, so visual, so poetic ...Yabby ... But to which species are you referring?

Pack hunting is gender free, bears are solitary, the big cats are solitary. Lionesses hunt for the pride ... I can’t recall what the lion does from his recumbent position ... perhaps semaphores instructions with his tail. Only on a special and rare occasion does the lion actually get up and contribute to the hunt. When, indeed. he has killed prey, unlike the lioness, he will will not share. But to give the lion his due, he does, alongside lionesses, defend the pride.

Murdoch inherited (I use the word very loosely) the News from his father Keith, who died heavily in debt. It was Murdoch’s mother who managed to salvage what little she could of the News, also a couple of subsidaries. The increasingly lax media regulations undoubtedly contributed to Murdoch’s empires, as much as his actual abilities. Both he and the late Packer were both great gamblers. Is this what you mean? Not exactly what one would look for in a business leader.

Ignoring any business principles, or indeed ethics, then such business leaders might as well hold up banks. From what you are saying, there there is not much difference - if any. Are you saying that they are no different from them and unconsciousnable criminals?

Where exactly do they draw the line?