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Fair go for women : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 7/3/2008

Women who speak out for equal rights - the same rights, not special rights - are often described as being 'man-haters', or worse.

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Danielle: "This does not provide evidence that men are better at business than women."

Neither do the statistics presented in the article provide evidence of sexism. What I was suggesting was a scientifically credible causation to explain the historical correlation between gender and apparent business acumen.

"If you really want to go down that path, it could well be that women are better at business than men."

I have no problem with women making up the majority of business leaders if they are in fact better at it than men, however I don't see much evidence that they are.

"An employer, employing a friend/relative, even a friend's relative, can be a recipe for disaster"

Yes, of course there are risks with all employees, yet most experience would be that the risk is lower when the amount unknown is less.

Yabby: "Not all of us want to play by the law of the jungle, Yabby. Some of us are capable of imagining a better world."

Unfortunately the jungle out there that is the real world doesn't care what you want or imagine. This is one of my biggest concerns with idealist causes such as feminism (or for eg religious moralism), they are great at formulating wonderful ideals but when they cannot rationally reconcile their ideology with reality they will all too often choose to misrepresent reality to avoid choosing a more realistic and practical ideology.
Posted by Desipis, Thursday, 20 March 2008 9:45:52 AM
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Why oh why did anyone give HRS an opportunity to go on about his latest pet-project: the dreaded "ist" and "ism" theory? Having declared war on romanticists, artists, pianists and declaring he would never want to be associated with things like consumerism or tourism it may be that his refusal to answer TRTL's challenge or any other question is simply because he disavows intellectualism?

And Yabby et al:- if its considered that media reportage of divorce settlements or prostitutes somehow proves women's overall cupidity then I also have "proof" of something.

I have never had an intimate relationship with a guy who did not:

a) find the expulsion of waste gas from the body a cause for fun, merriment or congratulation
b) view the automatic bodily function of a morning glory with all the pride of one unveiling the prototype of the wheel
c) or consider that the way to cure any of their partners problems from menstrual cramps to an existential crisis was to stand naked before them and do the helicopter.

Does this prove that ALL men do this?
Posted by Romany, Thursday, 20 March 2008 9:47:22 AM
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Rom you surprise I guess some feminists do have a sense of humor after all. ;0))

Your post gave me a good chuckle.
Posted by JamesH, Thursday, 20 March 2008 10:01:31 AM
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Fractual,
I’m not a feminist. I don’t judge someone according to their gender. I don’t even consider whether someone is male or female when voting for them.

But taking into account the history of certain political systems, I would not vote for anyone who calls themselves a Marxist, Stalinist, Maoist, Socialist, Communist or feminist. They all talk about equality, but rarely mention democracy.

I hope that answers your questions.
Posted by HRS, Thursday, 20 March 2008 11:43:56 AM
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HRS

1. No, you have yet again managed to qualify your answer.

A simple YES or NO was all that was needed.

2. My moniker on this forum is FRACTELLE

You complain about others using derision on you - yet you clearly indulge in it yourself.

^^^

In conclusion, I have yet to be convinced that you have any liking or respect for women.

So the ball is still in your court, to answer honestly without qualification.

I don't believe you can give a straight forward answer.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by Fractelle, Thursday, 20 March 2008 1:14:21 PM
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Desipis

”Unfortunately the jungle out there that is the real world doesn't care what you want or imagine.”

Your arrogance, Desipis, is exceeded only by your ignorance. To denounce the desire for a different and better world as unrealistic idealism or “religious moralism” is to negate the efforts of millions of thinkers and practitioners all over the world. What are you really suggesting here? That we move out of the way and leave it all to Wall Street and the George Bushes of this world? There are idealistic people in all facets of human endeavour, men and women, who work in a myriad of incremental and practical ways to bring about real change. In my view, they are far more in touch with reality than people like yourself who argue that the reality of the here and now is all there is.

Quite apart from issues of fairness, the course we are on now is completely unsustainable. If we don’t change and in a big way, the future for all those except the minority rich with the resources to ameliorate the fallout is unfortunately a very bleak one. Perhaps if you spent more time reading the science and less the stock exchange you’d understand the urgency of what I’m saying. I’ve got no time for your arrogant “We know best” attitude. It’s that sort of blind thinking which is taking us all down. It’s time for a new paradigm and if you can’t see it at least don’t stand in the way of those who can.
Posted by Bronwyn, Thursday, 20 March 2008 1:31:24 PM
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