Gerrit, of course it takes two people to create a fertilised ovum. However, it takes just one person, the woman, to continue the pregnancy and provide for the embryo. The point is that physically, pregnancy only affects the woman.
In case of rape by a woman, a man should have the right to choose to walk away from any responsibility attached to his child financially, physically and emotionally.
The woman has the choice whether or not to make her body available for nine months and to give birth. Pregnancy and giving birth are a life-altering experience for women.

I called you a misogynist because you seem perfectly happy to support a law that forces women to give birth. Someone who respects women would not want to force that upon them.

As long as we do not interfere with the freedom of others, there is no reason to tell others how to behave. If you support a law that interferes with women’s personal choices, I get the message that you’re a misogymist.
However, I could have been wrong about that because as you point out, I do not know you. Perhaps Col is right to think there’s something paternalistic in the way you deal with others’ problems. I just cannot comprehend why you would support a law to force women to give birth against their will if you do like and respect women as much as you say you do.

Shocka, yes thanks for the link about abortion laws, it tells me what I wanted to know. BTW Where did I claim I ‘know’ everything? I might express my opinion like everybody here is entitled to do, but I can’t recall saying that I know all the answers. Isn’t the fact that I asked a question evidence of that?

Anyway, I’m curious what you and Gerrit personally think should be the punishment for a woman who’s had an abortion.
Your article shows that there are different punishments for the same ‘crime’ in different States; from life imprisonment (SA) to no legal punishment for the woman (WA) .

Yabby: "All those years of JW irrationality must have left their scars."

So, what's your excuse?

Those "scars" made me realise that people, like you, who claim to know the "truth" are big fat liars with hidden agendas!

Take a took at this and tell me at what precise point, we have an egg or a chicken:
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/egifs/egghatching.GIF

You accused me before of having some sinister demographic agenda.
Of course, if there were more births, this wouldn't *alter* demographics, just reflect them.

But could the pro-choice (i.e. feminist) movement have their *own* sinister demographic agenda?

Let's see who promotes and who actually uses abortion.

Promotes abortion: Primarily rich white women.
Uses abortion: Primarily poor white and coloured women.

Suspicious?

The movement even want the developing world to have this "right".
(Because they care so much!)
That way, even more coloured people will *die*!

When poor and coloured people have aborted themselves into extinction, what now?

Phase 2: Men

If patriarchy is the disease, androcide is the cure.

"Who needs men? We only need a few test tubes of frozen sperm."

They can't openly admit this agenda, or the men might retaliate.
And they can't directly attack half the adult population (many with military weapons!).

So they'll just wait for natural death to reduce the numbers, and in the meantime, abort *every male foetus* conceived.

Men can't stop this, even once they realise what's happening.
It's *her* right, remember?

Sooner or later, men are extinct.
A few might be kept as sperm factories, locked in a basement, lobotomised, their penises hooked up to a milking machine.

The rich white women will then rule the world!
Power, absolute Power!!

Free at last from the annoying existence of poor, coloured and male humans.

Now there's a sinister demographic agenda!

Hogwash?

If you think rich white women won't put their *own* interests first, above anyone else's, maybe you also think everybody in the world should just hold hands and sing in fields of pretty flowers and butterflies.

shockadelic, I'm afraid I couldn't help but laugh at your sinister agenda.

Funny how those opposed to abortion seem to grapple with the whole notion that it's about choice. Apparently you don't think poor people are capable of deciding what's best for themselves.

OoOh! What next! I know, McDonalds is only out to make poor people fat! It's a rich people's conspiracy!
What's more, vegetarians are secretly trying to suck protein from the rest of us in an evil plan geared at making us all thin and mentally weak so we can be commanded! Don't listen to them!

TurnRightThenLeft, I'm afraid I couldn't help but laugh at your hypocrisy.

You're in favour of gun control because you want to "save lives".
But you don't care about all the lives snuffed out every year through abortion.

Weren't you raving mad before that 1.4% of deaths are from firearms?

But you couldn't care less that 27% of pregnancies are terminated?

"Funny how those opposed to abortion seem to grapple with the whole notion that it's about choice."

Funny how those opposed to *gun ownership* seem to grapple with the whole notion that it's about choice.

Apparently *you* don't think poor people are capable of deciding what's best for themselves, when it comes to self-protection.

Killing one life to preserve another is justifiable.
That's why shooting someone in self-defence is justifiable.
That's why eating meat is justifiable.
That's why therapeutic abortion (maternal life at risk) is justifiable.
At least I'm consistent.

To kill an innocent life, for no reason but inconvenience is not justifiable.

Abortion should be a last resort, used only in emergencies, not as a form of birth control by the 33% of women too irresponsible to use contraception.

Apparently hypotheses boggle your mind just as much all the other brainwashed robots posting here.

Just keep crossing your fingers and hoping "everything will be alright".

Considering your aversion to hypothetical futures, I'd avoid the science fiction section at the video store.
Watch "Scanners" and *your* head will explode!

ROFL Shocka.

Clearly those years of JW preaching affected you far worse then
I had thought :)

So now its rich white women with their private agenda, who are
the secret evil ones.

My agenda is quite simple. Let people make decions about their
own lives.

Shocka, you might have a career writing horror movies and
weirdo movies, but knock, knock, planet reality rules.

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Celivia
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The woman has the choice whether or not to make her body available for nine months and to give birth.
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Precisely, and by having sexual intercourse she opted for the risk to make her body available for 9 months!
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Anyhow, I consider it a stupid argument to argue that because I am a male I have no say over what a woman does with her body.
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For decades I have conducted under the motto MAY JUSTICE ALWAYS PREVAIL® a special lifeline service where also women having been subjected to having an abortion (YES AGAINST THEIR FREE WILL BECAUSE OTHERS DEMANDED IT) contemplated suicide. Now, I could have argued that it is none of my business and let them kill themselves but I didn’t as I made it my business, so to say, to try to save lives as much as I can.
I have done so without ever any Government funding, and did so because I do believe in helping my fellow man, so to say, without seeking financial rewards, regardless it has cost me a lot of money in the process.
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At times people contemplating suicide planned to do so with taking a few others with them also! I could have said it is none of my business and why care, but I didn’t and prevented many innocent people to end up dead!
I do not decide if people have sexual intercourse or not, of create a child! I merely bring across my views and have assisted many in the process to value life. It is nonsense then to argue that because I am a male (as was done previously) that somehow I have no right to speak up! We all have this right to speak up but we cannot in the end do more then that! Laws cannot punish as a deterrent people who have already committed suicide, then it is left to fellow humans to try to avoid the loss of life in the first place. Likewise so with abortion of unborn children!