Celivia, if your meaning of “misogynist” is that I hate women, you are utterly and totally wrong. Over the decades I assist many women in their family-court-litigation and in my books also have set out the wrong doings being done against women, not just men.
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Even when I was not married I would conduct myself to any women as I would do if she was my wife, in to show respect to her appropriate in the circumstances.
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Once I was concerned about the wellbeing of an elderly lady that finally a locksmith opened up her residence to the authorities could check out if she was allright. After this women discovered what I had organised she could not stop thanking me because she made clear that it showed I had concern for her wellbeing where most people would not care less.
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I assist anyone on the side of the road regardless of their gender, age, etc.
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With the special lifeline service under the motto MAY JUSTICE ALWAYS PREVAIL® I assisted many women and because I always refused to accept money they often would ask what they could do in return and my response always was, do for others as I did for you”! Meaning, help others as I helped you. Most men take it for granted and could not care less but most women do show appreciation and the fact that they like to do something in return has shown to me that women in that regard are more appreciative of assistance.
As a woman recently made known to me that ever since I assisted her, she has been involved in community groups to assist others as her way to thank me for what I did when she contemplated suicide.
However, those and numerous other incidents ordinary are not fitting in this thread and so not ordinary referred to and to portray me then as some “misogynist” only exposes how little you really understand what I am on about.

Seems you have the mentality that you are either with us or against us. I am neither!

Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka “women are dying from illegal abortions then we should decriminalise abortion. Well, people are dying from breaking and entry when trying to rob people,”

Ah that old, old hairy analogy

Point of irrefutable difference

The burglars who supposedly die are committing a crime against another sovereign individual, the owner of the property being burgled, the woman is not. She is attending to issues which do not extend beyond her own body and are thus “private”.

I would further comment your statement “One of my daughters was close to death from an abortion but that hardly would convince me to support abortions.”

I could make personal references to relatives of mine who might have undergone abortions, however, out of respect for their privacy, I do not.

Celivia’s comment on your misogyny,
I would disagree with Celivia.

However, I would suggest your post reads as one which is extremely “paternalistic”, a characteristic which has some gross similarities to misogyny. Example, an attitude of all knowing, which a depreciates the reasoning ability of others, in this case women.

For myself, if one of my daughters were to come and tell me they were considering abortion, my first action would be to embrace them and reassure them that the choice was entirely theirs to make. If asked, I might discuss with them alternatives and options, without attempting to impose my view of what they should do.

Regardless of what they ultimately do (abort or not), I would consider it a measure of significant growth in their personal development, that they faced their circumstances, made a decision and followed through with it.

I work on the basis that I do not tell my daughters who they should date, what way they should vote in the federal election or if they should consider my sensibilities if they decide on an abortion.

I consider my success as a parent to be measured in my daughters' independence and abilities to reason through and resolve the issues in their lives, in an ethical and positive manner.

Now I am deemed to be extremely “paternalistic”?
As I stated in the past if when a daughter ask my views I state it and I make clear that ultimately they have to make the decision.
I have always made known to my children since they were little that all I can do is to seek to prepare them for life on their own, I cannot make their decisions. It is not for me to dictate who they can or cannot choose as a partner in life. I never dictate or argue about the kind of job they do.
My eldest has several law-degrees but hates working in law! And when she had a divorce case I refused to get involved, when she asked me to do the case for her, as I explained I didn’t want to be involved between her and her husband. One of my daughters went on holidays with her friend, and returned married. My wife (not her mother) was furious about it but I explained my daughter had done no wrong. Why should she waste monies on an expensive wedding if she rather use the money to secure her future. My wife refused to visit because the husband is from India (she is in that regard racist) but to me he is my daughters husband and that is all I am concerned about. She is happy and now married for several years and ultimately her happiness is what is important to me.

Sure, I would like to see that my children are married before commencing a family with children, but I accept that in today’s world is different.
Nothing paternalistic to cast once view provided it is not coming across that a child ‘MUST” follow suit!

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I consider my success as a parent to be measured in my daughters' independence and abilities to reason through and resolve the issues in their lives, in an ethical and positive manner.
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Precisely what I am on about also! As a parent you can only prepare them for future life and hope it will work out.

Col Rouge: "Your movement"... "I am a member..."

Need another English lesson on "you" and "your"?

"I speak as a private individual"

So do I.
Yet you lump me in with the Pope and Hitler!

Singalong with Col:
"I am not the property of any state or religious hierarchy.
What I do with my body, is and always be my choice".

Singalong with Shocka:
"Ah, shaddap you face".

"You are the one who has disenfranchised yourself from the majority of the anti-abortion movement."

So now *I'm* part of a movement, but you're not.

I'm still with them on abortion.
Just not so crazy about that whole Jesus thing.

Yabby: "Checkout the *worldwide* figures of deaths and hospitalisations from botched abortions."

Including the underdeveloped Third World, where there is little to no sex education or contraception available?
Yeah, just lump their statistics in with ours.

"Do you really think that this is the first debate about abortion that people like Col, Celivia or myself have had?
Even the Jehovas Witnesses role out his name, when they come to the door."

Yes, I'm sure you've done this over and over again.
Maybe that's why you sound like programmed robots.

The Jehovah's (with an H) Witnesses?
Ah, *guilt by association*!
Trick Number 68!

If those loony con artists use him as a reference, Nathanson must be just as disreputable!

And before you do your "religious intolerance" schtick, I was born and raised a Jehovah's Witness, so have every right to call them loony con artists.

"Ok, so refuse to answer my question, as you know it would prove my point."

Your question was:
"Next time you eat an egg and it happens to be fertilised, tell me if its a chicken or an egg."

My response (and most people's) would be "Yuck, a baby chicken! Ewww!"
Which proves *my* point.

Celivia:
"I don't know this. Is there some kind of punishment now for this criminal act or not?"

I already provided a link which discusses this.
Can't be bothered reading it?
Then please stop claiming to be some sort of expert.

" I was born and raised a Jehovah's Witness, so have every right to call them loony con artists.
Your question was:
"Next time you eat an egg and it happens to be fertilised, tell me if its a chicken or an egg."
My response (and most people's) would be "Yuck, a baby chicken! Ewww!"
Which proves *my* point."

Shocka, there we have it, your real problem!

You still are unable to tell the difference between a chicken
and an egg! All those years of JW irrationality must have left
their scars.

Now just to make sure, be a good boy and go and google
chicken and egg, their definitions and pictures of them.
Clearly you have lots to learn!

Shockadelic

“Your movement …

Need another English lesson on "you" and "your"?”

I should have written ”you're movement” or “you movement”"

I guess, if you think you are capable of delivering any form of “English lesson”, YOU'RE (!) entitled to delude yourself. In the meant time, I will treat your sarcasm with the distain it deserves and leave my use of English unaltered.

Now, if that is the extent of your debating (and English) prowess, I will leave you to muddle in the bounty of your own excreta.

As illustrated in statements like "Ah, shaddap you face"

Re “So now *I'm* part of a movement, but you're not.”

Actually, in consideration of my previous comments, might I suggest part of a “bowel movement”?

As for “I was born and raised a Jehovah's Witness”

Being so born and raised gives you no rights to interfere in the sovereign abortion choices of women who do not know you or give “a rats” how you were brought up or what “fringe” pseudo-religious dogma you were indoctrinated with as a child.

Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, “Now I am deemed to be extremely “paternalistic”?”

That is the way you come across to me and I am sure to some others.

I appreciate your concurrence with my view regarding the upbringing of children.
I would have failed my daughters if they were incapable of making moral choices without my direct input.
My daughters also know that “Personal Accountability” is also central to the values I have endeavoured to instill in them.

“Personal Accountability” is the flip side to exercising individual, sovereign choice.
We are all bound to accept personal responsibility for the choices we make.
Which is why I cannot support "anti-choice" agendas in terms of abortion and other issues.

Similarly, since I carry no responsibility for the outcome of the private decisions of strangers, I cannot claim any right to control their decisions, regardless that their decision might conflict with my own (in similar circumstances).

No one grows to make good choices without first learning from the wrong ones they might make