Benjamin,

“Which is why there are no Muslim Nobel prize winners”

Do you expect me to believe you are a lawyer when you keep throwing ill-founded statements?
There are 11 Muslim Nobel prize winners since 1978 or an averahe of 1 ever 2.6 years.

1. Ahmed Zweil 1999 (Chemistry - Egypt)
2. Naguib Mahfouz 1988 (Literature- Egypt)
3. Mohammes Unus 2006 (Peace - Bangladesh)
4. Mohammed El Baradei 2005 (Peace - Egypt)
5. Shirin Abbadi 2003 (Peace - Iran)
6. Anwar Sadat 1978 (Peace – Egypt)
7. Yasser Arafat 1994 (Peace - Palestine)
8. Orhan Pamuk 2006 (Literature - Turkey)
9. Ferid Murad 1998 (Medicine - Albania)
10. Abdus Salam 1979 (Physics - Pakistan)
11. Amartya Sen 1998 (Economics- Bangladesh)

5 of them are in peace. 2 in literature, 1 in chemistry, 1 in physics, 1 in Medicine and 1 in Economics.

Peace,

I think David Boaz is right on this.

You cannot defeat barbarism by becoming a barbarian.

We don't have to hate them as they hate us, we need only to realise the necessity of resisting them.. and then resist them with the grim ruthlessness that the Allies resisted Nazi Germany in WWII.

Unfortunately, for the foreseeable future, realising the need to resist Islam seems to be missing. Our political correctness and naive belief, as a society, that religions are all inherently equivalent is leaving us watching on as if 9/11, 7/7, Madrid and Bali were simple accidents.

But Islam is not like Christianity, or any other religion I can think of. it preaches and propogates itself by hatred and destruction of everything alien to it. Whereas most religions propogate themselves by example and teaching some admirable moral system. Islam quite explicitly advocates threats and force to obtain conversion and seemingly to the sole end that "there is no God but Allah." The Koran makes it permissible to lie and decieve those who are not followers. Basically, there are no rules for Muslims provided they are furthering the ends of Islam.

What kind of a morality is that?

I'm not at all religious, but to my knowledge, no where is Christ said to have sanctioned lying, let alone violence and murder - although he is suppposed to have had a tantrum in a Jewish temple once, as I recall (Perhaps DB can elaborate). As DB points out, Underpinning Christianity is the teaching to "love your enemies".

While I may not live by Christ's teachings, with VERY few exceptions, I can be very confident Christians do not see legitimacy in furthering their ends through violence.

Islam is a religion of hate.

We live in a tolerant society.
To keep it tolerant we must resist those who are intolerant.
Islam is intolerant.
We must resist Islam.

About the 'Muslim' Nobel winners, look at the details:

1. Ahmed Zweil 1999 (Chemistry - Egypt) In US since 1970s. Faculty member at CalTech

2. Naguib Mahfouz 1988 (Literature- Egypt) His books were banned in many Arab countries. Death threats. In 1994 Islamic extremists almost succeeded in assassinating the 82-year-old novelist by stabbing him in the neck

3. Mohammes Unus 2006 (Peace - Bangladesh) Famous for his concept of microcredit, to replace usurious loans to poor. Recently started a democratic political party but abandoned the idea because of the “political climate” destroying the country

4. Mohammed El Baradei 2005 (Peace - Egypt) In US since 1970s. Envolved in Iran and Iraq nuclear controversies. Still alive and still at IAEA.

5. Shirin Abbadi 2003 (Peace - Iran). Not much liked by the Islamic government in Iran. Has defended writers, activists and Bahai persecuted by Islamic regime.

6. Anwar Sadat 1978 (Peace – Egypt) Murdered by Islamists.

7. Yasser Arafat 1994 (Peace - Palestine) Terrorist. Known for stealing from his people for 30 plus years and lying to the world. Died of AIDS.

8. Orhan Pamuk 2006 (Literature - Turkey) In 2006, after criminal charges had been pressed against him in Turkey for his outspoken comments on the Armenian genocide and murder of kurds, Pamuk returned to the US

9. Ferid Murad 1998 (Medicine - Albania). In the US since the 1960s.

10. Abdus Salam 1979 (Physics - Pakistan) Lived in Europe from 1950s til his death in 1996. He was a devout member of the Ahmadiyya community, considered to be deviates and persecuted by main-stream Muslims.

11. Amartya Sen 1998 (Economics- Bangladesh) Interesting guy. Wrote about positive freedom and problems in disfunctional societies. Wrote article about "More Than 100 Million Women Are Missing", analyzing the mortality impact of unequal rights in Asia.

Isn't the Internet wonderful!

Kactuz

Kaktuz,

My comment above to a claim made by Benjamin that there are no Muslim Nobel Prize winners.

The 11 Muslim Nobel prize winners lived and died as practising Muslims. Whether in the US, the UK, in their own countries, liked or persecuted by Islamists is irrelevant. They were good practising Muslims who helped humanity and found no contradiction between their beliefs, the countries of choice and the science and reseach for the greater good.

I feel sorry for you. Your hate is blinding your sense of reason,

Peace,

I agree with Fellow-Human. This thread seems to draw out the best in our resident Islamophobic and Christian frootloops.

Benjamin: "Come on people, xenophobia means Islam, it means the non-west." Wrong, Benji. Buy a dictionary.

runner: "by far the most dangerous place to be alive in Australia is in a mother's womb." Huh? Right on topic again.

Philip Tang: "It would be a good idea to start a campaign right here in OLO to classify Islam as a political system or better still its abolishment in secular democracies" Great idea Phil. I'm sure that "classification" will have those dreadful Muslims abandoning their faith in droves. After classification, perhaps we should restrict them to ghettoes. What next, I wonder?

Abolish Islam? And how would you propose we do that, Phil? I'd like to abolish Christianity and all other silly and pernicious relgions, but I'm not stupid enough to think that it would actually be possible.

Belly: "Now my friends remind me I look racist..." If you walk like a duck, talk like a duck...

Boazy: "The Red Mosque event, should alert us to exactly HOW Mosques and prayer halls (Baulkham Hills) can be used for indoctrination of terrorists. The sorry outcome of this is not seen until such places are filled with grenades, bombs, assault rifles and booby traps.

I call on the residents of Baulkham Hills to reorganize themselves, and request the removal of the prayer hall which was forced upon them in spite of 5000 written objections." Old Boazy's just stirring up a little "righteous anger", isn't he?

Not to mention old Kactuz, who just loves to rouse the rabble too.

So much fear, loathing and hatred. I agree that we're likely in for some religiously based social unrest in Australia, and people like you clowns will be just as responsible as the Islamic radicals you love to hate.

Do you think the ordinary Muslim is happy with the existance of the terrorists? They are equally threatened. But if the rest of us gang up against all of them with suspicion and hatred they will feel unable to work with us in eliminating this unpleasant group.

Muslims are PEOPLE like the rest of us. If we show some consideration for them we can together weed out the bad apples. I personally don't like Archbishop Pell, or Tony Abbott's attempts to impose Catholic law on all of us. Or that Christian what's his name who tells us all that we are sinning if we enjoy ourselves. But we don't speak of them in the way we speak of Muslims, we differentiate between Christians and should do the same for Muslims.

I am no do gooder, don't accuse me of that. This is basic management practice. No one is a redneck if they criticize some extremist groups, Christian or Muslim. But when they tar all Muslims with the one brush that is racism. It is not nice and worst of all it is counter productive.