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Muslim leaders must speak out against radicalisation : Comments
By Anthony Bergin and Jacob Townsend, published 10/7/2007We should be encouraging Australian Muslims to participate in Australian society and politics.
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Posted by pegasus, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 4:31:10 PM
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Benji ! The estimates of 3000 potential jihadists is laughable - thats 10% of the entire Australian Muslim population - ( see sneekeepete larfing - mmwahahahahah )
It exceeds by a long fatwa the exstimate of even Mick Keelty of the AFP. And as for this - this too is risable - "On the use of internet technology, I think it's disgusting that Muslim radicals use our western inventions to bring about their desire to impose backward Arabian values". Surely you are making like a catheter and taking the piss! If we except that the internet essentially is a mathematically based form of technology - it was nations of the east (read probably those pesky muslims) that pioneered contemporary mathematics, signs and symbols - I may stand to be corrected but be warned I might also be sitting down. And you think this -..."welfare fraud, rorting Christian charities" is the sole domain of Islam - I dont think so. I think Muslim leaders should speak out - but I dont blame them if they dont. Posted by sneekeepete, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 5:27:31 PM
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I'm more worried about Bikie gangs.
Oh wait, they're not Muslim. Sorry guys. Posted by strayan, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 7:30:55 PM
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One of the best ways to free Muslims from the stranglehold of Islam is to let thinking ex-Muslims expose the superstitious and violent nature of Islam. Ex-Muslims are those who “had been there before” and they speak with authority about what Islam really is, and their assessment of the Islamic debacle is accurate and trustworthy.
A website setup by ex-Muslims has a good article, “Islamic Circus: Classification of Muslims by Sher Khan.” He identified 4 types of Muslims: Real Muslims, Modern Muslim Scholars, Half-Muslims and Mini-Muslims Of the modern-Muslim scholar he wrote, “…Modern Muslim scholars are trying to reform Islam and represent Islam as a peaceful religion. It's a great news and their effort should be commended except for the hidden agenda that they nurture.” Sher Khan concluded… “Good news is majority of Muslims are either Half-Muslims or Mini-Muslims. Naturally they are not a direct threat to mankind as opposed to Real Muslims and Hypocrite Muslim scholars. Bad news is Saudi Arabia and Middle-East countries are pumping billions of petro-dollars to promote real Islam through Madrasas (Islamic School) and feeding hypocrite scholars. Hypocrite scholars create an innocent image of Islam to keep half and mini Muslims under Islamic flag. Mullahs take next step to brainwash this people and convert them to Real Muslims. Can you imagine of all Muslims of this world becoming Real Muslims? We are talking about a billion active suicide bombers! Ain't that scary? To give a happy ending, the activity of emerging ex-Muslims must be mentioned. This group of people is not blind or blindfolded. They see the whole elephant. In fact they see Islam as a devastating wild elephant. This movement is getting momentum everyday and a surprising snowball effect is not too far.” http://islam-watch.org/SherKhan/Islamic-Circus-Classification-of-Muslims.htm Posted by Philip Tang, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 8:59:15 PM
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Here, again, there is the assumption of the ‘moderate’ Muslim. There is no way the word ‘moderate’ can be applied in any discussion on such a bizarre religion/political movement and its adherents.
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 9:19:48 PM
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Most young Muslims ARE participating in Australian society and traveling very well thank you very much. I don't think that there's too much evidence to the contrary.
Of course there are some violent Muslim nutcases who choose to belong to sects like HT. However, HT devotees and their ilk (ie brainwashed morons) happen to be a distinct minority. I don't think that we should forget this important fact. Hopefully, in time, the Islamic religion will be secularised like modern Christianity and violent religious nutcases and associated brainwashed morons will be a thing of the past. With a bit of luck we could be soon living in the tail end of the 'Age of Monotheism' and won't have to put up with monotheistic chauvenism too much longer. Posted by TR, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 10:29:05 PM
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We know Muslims aren't going to "dob" on their own so we shouldn't hold our breath until their community does something about the radicals.
Someone below wrote the West has no place for Islam. Change that to religion and I'll agree. If we have Christians then all should have their beliefs. In my world, beliefs are private when it comes to spirituality. Talk to your God, just don't include anyone else, particularly me, in your conversations. It's just the same as being trapped in a lift with the young exec using two mobile phones. If it was me and him the mobiles would find new uses.
Same with religion. Keep it to yourself. Just look at the damage trying to convert others causes.
As to those"moderate Muslims" who have no guts. Just sit there until you are living in a replica of Beirut. Then maybe you'll say "Why didn't we do something"?