In many posts I say lies are used as a weapon by far too many in the Muslim community, now I did not mean radicals alone.
Fact is increasingly we are as posters have said here called racist for expressing concerns at the in would looking sometimes bigoted way we are treated in these community's.
And without doubt we should debate is it worth while offering a new life to some who undermine ours.
Quite frankly I think not.
But in time some bigoted people will from within these community's prove that we can only live together if both sides act to dump the idiotic fools who destroy trust.
Do not always blame the young some truly bigoted parents exist in Sydney's Muslim community.

A great religious founder once said, “… they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (Mat 26:52).

The Islamists from the Red Mosque who wanted to overthrow the rule of law of its government and setting up Shariah law has ended tragically. Once again the world has witnessed the Muslims’ attempt at taking control over a sovereign government. They have also declared war on non-Muslims by killing many Chinese people. We can be sure that if there were Europeans or other non-Muslims, they too will be gunned down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6282574.stm

The line that separates Muslims, Islamists and Jihadists is getting more blur and obscure as the days go by. They refer to the same thing, MUSLIMS. Enough is enough, its time to classify Islam as a political system and Muslims are political activists with an agenda to replace secularism with the rule of the Shariat.

It is in the interest of world peace to abolish it completely as suggested by an ex-Muslim.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Swadhin/Abolishing-Islam.htm

“The nations such as Germany and Austria, most severely affected by the ravages of Nazism have banned the expression of pro-Nazi ideas, including publication of books, organized activities and a concerted campaign to defame, marginalize and extinguish neo-Nazism.”

It would be a good idea to start a campaign right here in OLO
to classify Islam as a political system or better still its abolishment in secular democracies

The idea that London or Australian born muslims who plot to carry out bomb attacks must somehow be radicalised or extremists and so must only be a small percentage is a nice comforting thought for a lot of people in the West but it is incorrect .

Sure they are inflamed by the muftis but what the muftis tell them is only tapping in to their own natural born instincts as tribal warriors. It’s a latent instinct in every single male muslim in the country to go to battle against other tribes whom they perceive as a threat to their bloodline. The arranged marriages and killing of women who get friendly with outsiders in the West is precisely this instinct at work. The gang rapes of the white women are another aspect of this instinct where the males (and females) only want those of their blood line on the territory.

That’s why it can be doctors or any muslim male who will do this. Don’t forget Britain lost thousands and thousands of men in World War 2 before they woke up to the fact that their high society officers who went to fancy military academys weren’t suited to lead the men . The real leaders of men in battle arose from the ranks. In other words military leaders of men are born . They can come from any section of the muslim (or other tribes in Western society . They have strong warrior(military instincts) or perhaps they just don’t see the need to repress these instincts as the other muslim men around them are doing. They also have the ability to inspire other muslim men to follow their lead by committing the same acts. Remember how the warrior braveheart in the movie inspired his people to rise up and fight.

Sharkfin it will come, we will learn to hate those who hate us with the same blind bigotry as them.
To question their rights to a religious belief as much as they question ours.
To kill in the same uncaring way innocents as they do.
And one day we will know efforts to prove after many generations and much pain we still can live together in safety are untrue.
One day this war on terror ,like it or not will be total war.
Then just maybe if we win we can live in peace if not? who would want to live in such a world.
Now my friends remind me I look racist, but understand I think I am a realist and have thoughts of an idiot former British leader and his so wrong claim of peace in our time.

Belly said:

[we will learn to hate those who hate us...
To question their rights to a religious belief as much as they question ours.
To kill in the same uncaring way innocents as they do.]

This is quite possible..IF.. we don't take a careful look at the beliefs of our enemies, and in ignorance just try to 'gee up' our mob to 'get them'.

The thing which separates the Judao/Christian 'West' from such barbarity as perpetrated by Al Qaeda and their ilk, is that we have at the foundation of our philosophical underpinnings the idea of 'Love your enemies', which came from Christ, who was presenting an Old testament concept.

The day we abandon such underpinnings, is the day when we will become the same animals our enemies are. On that day, we will believe that to slowly carve off a mans head and place the event on video for the world to see, is a 'good' thing.

I respond with the words of Isaiah the prophet "Woe to those who call good evil and evil good"

MUSLIM LEADERS have a very difficult problem. The only way they can speak against such radicalization is to speak against the clear teaching of the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah. Sure, they can claim a 'modern' intepretation, but that will be met with 'Red Mosque' radicalism. Unfortunately, the Red Mosque-i-teers will win, because they can point to exactly where the 'modern' leaders are ignoring or falsifying the Quran.
The only solution at that point, will be the same one President Musharraf applied to the Red Mosque radicals.
"Radical"...and "Terminal"

The Red Mosque event, should alert us to exactly HOW Mosques and prayer halls (Baulkham Hills) can be used for indoctrination of terrorists. The sorry outcome of this is not seen until such places are filled with grenades, bombs, assault rifles and booby traps.

I call on the residents of Baulkham Hills to reorganize themselves, and request the removal of the prayer hall which was forced upon them in spite of 5000 written objections.

I thought the Baulkham Hills prayer hall was dead in the water? There are enough no-go areas in Sydney now without another in the middle of Baulkham Hills.
Phillip Tang has an interesting suggestion in that Muslims should be treated as a political system and not as a religion. Unless they separate religion from politics and become sectarian they should not enjoy the protection they rely on so heavily. If they need to hide their political ambition behind religion then they should face the slings and arrows and criticism that other political systems endure. As they are so vulnerable they do not handle criticism very well and will react as they did to the Danish cartoons.