FH. ... by the way, one soul has returned from the darkness of Islam in Sweden, as a result of knowing the FULL truth of Islam now.. I pray it will be many more.

Honestly, that you would even consider justifying Mohammads marraige to Aisha is astounding.

60+...... 9... go figure.

Your 'reading Islam' site also claims:

"Islam prohibited adultery and homosexuality, and prevented forcing female slaves into sexual acts against their will."

Really ? WHERE?

That is an outright lie from the pit of hell old son... Islam does allow and MOhammad did ALLOW the rape of captive slave girls
Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:

He in fact, suggested they ejaculate INSIDE the women because they cannot stop a soul being created if Allah wills.

Those traditions are described in that same site as follows:

QUOTE 1
A'ishah came from a house famous for learning and memorizing great quantities of knowledge; her father was a live encyclopedia of Arab tribal pedigrees and poetry. She inherited his ability, and in her young, intelligent, receptive mind, she preserved a precious portion of Islam

QUOTE 2

and she taught thousands of men worldwide their religion as she had learned it firsthand from the Prophet. To our present day, she is considered among the most prominent Islamic scholars.

FH..honesty time, WHERE is her teaching recorded ? aah.. in Muslim and Bukhari!

Narrated Ayesha... etc etc. yet...you 'reject' my quotes by her.

So much for intellectual honesty F.H.

The Messiah, our Saviour and Lord, Jesus, lived a pure life, did not allow himself to be distracted by sexual interst in females, he shines as an example of purity and holiness. He did not condemn or deny marriage, but he did stipulate it must be holy, he made NO concessions to male sexual desires outside of wedlock.

...but who did?..and don't say "God" but you can say from the 'other place'..I'll accept that.

Boaz,

On theology: No hadith can contradict the Quran so keep quoting any pervert crap as much as you like, its just mirrors a sick and hateful mind. You are a shame to Australia and the faith you claim to be promoting.

My, my - is it only yesterday that 'yvonne' said that she admired Fellow_Human's ahem, "courtesy". Well it looks to me from the tenor of her riposte to Boaz_David that FH has now blown a gasket or two.

George Bushed,

Boaz is a missionary with the only purpose in life is to twist and turn facts about Islam. the word 'hateful'is a descritpion of his actions and not persoanl. Take the example above, Boaz knows Islam well enough and he is too smart to compare positions on slavery between the Quran and the bible.

One of the Quran positions to free slaves is what he mis-represented above. The full verse reads as follows:

"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: ...
Quran 4: 25.
Self explanatory that for those who can't find a wife they can marry of their POWs, give them their rights and free them.
Its actually encourages people to free slaves of that time.

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015526

I should have done better controlling the 'gasket'but the Christian Taliban members on this forum (Boaz, Coach, GZ Tan) are just one nasty piece of work and manners.

Logic, Irfan, and other Islamophiliacs,

The only judge that stands between Islamic bashing for the sport of it and factual criticism, must be the Islamic scriptures. We don't make anything up that's not in their books already...even if most don't want to admit it.

When Allah, his prophet, Hillali, or Bin Laden, ... say something - it is gospel. They all must use the ONE same text.

Don't blame us "the bashers" instead amuse yourself by reading their books. Starting of course with the word the Qur'an (using a reliable translation)

Only then can you take part in this and other debates.

As it is apparent from this sample here, most Muslims don't study their own books, they prefer to rely on their Imams or Dr. Google for their explanations.

Irfan is undoubtedly familiar with this Brookings/Lowy report a quote to address his 'pesantren' comment. (Irfan shouldnt really sneer at Ali for her lack of Bahasa Indonesian as she speaks quite a few more languages than he does after all.)

"Perhaps the key institution of Saudi-sponsored
Islamic education in Indonesia is Lembaga Ilmu
Pengetahuan Islam dan Arab (the Indonesian Institute
for Islamic and Arabic Sciences or LIPIA).

..Alongside a salafist disposition, LIPIA
had..notable Muslim Brotherhood influences. Many of its teachers
have a strong Brotherhood background.

..On the one hand, no single institution seems to have
done more than LIPIA to propagate contemporary
forms of salafism in Indonesia. Graduates of LIPIA
have become leading figures in the Indonesian salafist
movement. In particular, LIPIA graduates have gone on
to establish salafist pesantren, often with Saudi funding. These have grown from a handful in the 1980s to hundreds today, providing a
mechanism for spreading salafist ideas through outreach
activities and for the training of local salafist
teachers and propagators.

DDII (another organisation) also played a key role
in popularizing Brotherhood thought, translating
seminal Brotherhood texts in the late 1970s
and 1980s, the most popular of which was Sayyid
Qutb’s ‘Signposts’."

Could we ever imagine recruiting the horrid Muslim Brotherhood or propagating the doodlings of shallow bigots like Qutb to schoolchildren here? Of course not and partly because it is quite impossible, for example, to read 'Petunjuk Jalan' without simply feeling sorry for what was a culture-shocked man totally defeated by his own xenophobia and massive superstition.

What the sole example of Qutb shows is that Indonesia has a great deal more to teach Saudi Arabia about islam and humanity than the other way around.

Although Saudi-funded education is, as the reports authors clearly point out, a complex question, nevertheless the thin stain of middle eastern islamism is found amongst the children of Asia today.